Redneck racist power metal.

[sethsez]

I've heard of National Socialist Black Metal and non-racist Black Metal made by racists (Varg Vikerness with Burzum, Hellhammer with Mayhem and Fenriz with Darkthrone to name a few) but the day I hear racist Power Metal...wow.

I've heard many, many mixed things about Fenriz actually being racist. The only thing that's clear about him is that he takes his music pretty seriously, but thinks the fanbase is ridiculous and has a sense of humor about it (which probably has more to do with Darkthrone's slide in popularity over the years than any actual musical shifts). It's also unclear how much of what he actually says is serious and how much of it is mocking. He went from portraying Darkthrone as a VERY SERIOUS true Satan worshipping black metal and after a few years passed he said "yeah, we're just a bunch of idiots who get drunk and record an album once in a while." Hellhammer and Varg are definitely racist though.

Listen to one of Slayer's most popular songs "Angel of Death". It's full of Nazi imagery, it's about a dude (forget his real name) who did all kinds of fucked up experiments on people in the Death Camps who was nicknamed "Angel of Death".

The funny thing is that Slayer's vocalist isn't even White and he says all this shit about the Aryan race and all.

The song was done for shock value rather than any real racist intent. I've never seen anything that says otherwise, and for bands with an image like Slayer's war atrocities are popular themes.

[Thief Silver]

Wasn't there a nazi nick named "Angel of Death" who was famous for it?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josef_Mengele

There you go, the entire backing behind a slayer song I've never heard and probably wouldn't enjoy.

[g0zen]

Wasn't there a nazi nick named "Angel of Death" who was famous for it?

That would be Dr. Josef Mengele.

[Gohron]

I've heard many, many mixed things about Fenriz actually being racist. The only thing that's clear about him is that he takes his music pretty seriously, but thinks the fanbase is ridiculous and has a sense of humor about it (which probably has more to do with Darkthrone's slide in popularity over the years than any actual musical shifts). It's also unclear how much of what he actually says is serious and how much of it is mocking. He went from portraying Darkthrone as a VERY SERIOUS true Satan worshipping black metal and after a few years passed he said "yeah, we're just a bunch of idiots who get drunk and record an album once in a while." Hellhammer and Varg are definitely racist though.


The song was done for shock value rather than any real racist intent. I've never seen anything that says otherwise, and for bands with an image like Slayer's war atrocities are popular themes.

Fenriz has said some racist stuff, but like you said, he might not be serious. He wanted an anti-Jewish comment originally in the Transylvania Hunger booklet but it was taken out due to no promotion from labels. The album was still released with the words "True Aryan Black Metal" on the back of it though. On their new album he looked like a Cuban Dictator though so maybe he's shifted in his image a bit.

As for Slayer, that's all well and true but the fact of the matter is that it's still there and the band identified with a lot of Nazi imagery in the mid-80's. I never thought they were racist, just a bunch of Heavy Metal idiots.

[Thief Silver]

I don't see how using the attrocities committed by human kind to fuel music as stupid.

[g0zen]

Wasn't there a nazi nick named "Angel of Death" who was famous for it?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josef_Mengele

There you go, the entire backing behind a slayer song I've never heard and probably wouldn't enjoy.

Beat you to it, bitch.

[Thief Silver]

I call bullshit. I added the third line even before you posted it :P

[g0zen]

I call bullshit. I added the third line even before you posted it :P

The timestamps both say 12:02 AM, so I guess we posted AT THE EXACT SAME TIME! OMG BRAINLINK!

[Gohron]

I don't see how using the attrocities committed by human kind to fuel music as stupid.

Auschwitz, the meaning of pain
The why that I want you to die
Slow death, immense decay
Showers that cleanse you of your life
Forced in
Like cattle
You run
Stripped of
Your life's worth
Human mice, for the Angel of Death
Four hundred thousand more to die
Angel of Death
Monarch to the kingdom of the dead
Sadistic, surgeon of demise
Sadist of the noblest blood

Destroying, without mercy
To benefit the Aryan race

Surgery, with no anesthesia
Fell the knife pierce you intensely
Inferior, no use to mankind
Strapped down screaming out to die
Angel of Death
Monarch to the kingdom of the dead
Infamous butcher,
Angel of Death

Pumped with fluid, inside your brain
Pressure in your skull begins pushing through your eyes
Burning flesh, drips away
Test of heat burns your skin, your mind starts to boil
Frigid cold, cracks your limbs
How long can you last
In this frozen water burial?
Sewn together, joining heads
Just a matter of time
'Til you rip yourselves apart
Millions laid out in their
Crowded tombs
Sickening ways to achieve
The holocaust
Seas of blood, bury life
Smell your death as it burns
Deep inside of you
Abacinate, eyes that bleed
Praying for the end of
Your wide awake nightmare
Wings of pain, reach out for you
His face of death staring down,
Your blood running cold
Injecting cells, dying eyes
Feeding on the screams of
The mutants he's creating
Pathetic harmless victims
Left to die
Rancid Angel of Death
Flying free

[LEADS: HANNEMAN, KING, HANNEMAN, KING, HANNEMAN]

Angel of Death
Monarch to the kingdom of the dead
Infamous butcher,
Angel of Death

Angel of Death





I didn't say it was stupid, was just pointing the fact out.

[sethsez]

Even Joy Division invoked Nazi imagery at times. If your band is based around darkness, death, pain and shit like that, Nazi imagery will probably come up at one point or another. The difference between Slayer and, say, Graveland is whether the imagery is portrayed as an atrocity ("look at how evil men are") or something to be celebrated.

And I know about the racist stuff in Transylvanian Hunger. I've just given up on actually trying to figure Fenriz out. Like Varg, he constantly switches his views on everything, but unlike Varg he knows exactly what he's doing and seems to find it hilarious. He's the class clown of black metal. Still could be racist, of course, but I don't think it'll ever be totally clear.