Redneck racist power metal.

[Josh]

I never took Angel of Death to be glorifying the holocaust in any way shape or form.

[station82o]

o rly?

http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=43326

dude, i could careless if these shitholes have an entry on some website, that doesn't give them the right to call themselves metal, they're certainly not metal to me. Fuck these racist idiots.

[sethsez]

You can't say something isn't a part of your favorite genre just because they say something you don't like, or because they suck. Burzum is metal and it's a hell of a lot more racist than this.

[Fe 26]

o rly?

http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=43326

I like how who ever added that to the site says the music is about Pride and National Socialism.

Those have more to do with culture than race. The Indians and Japanese do not have necessarily racial pride as much as nationalistic pride. For example, Japanese don't view other Asians as their kinsman even though racially they are of the same 'distinction'. They are non-Japanese because they were not born in Japan, this is NOT a racial distinction.

I know for a fact that you are wrong about the japanese feeling that way. I have experienced first hand Japanese people looking down on other asians that are born in japan of nonjapense parents. It goes well beyond nationalism.

Why do you have to be proud of your skin color? What has it ever done for you? Shouldn't you instead be proud of your accomplishments as a person? Or those of your family and their ancestors? Not because they were white, but because they were human beings who accomplished something.

I don't really think it is a matter of if he should be proud of his skin color, but a desire to to have the ability to act like he is proud, in much the same way that any nonwhite person can, with out getting shit for it.

dude, i could careless if these shitholes have an entry on some website, that doesn't give them the right to call themselves metal, they're certainly not metal to me. Fuck these racist idiots.

I wouldn't get mad about it. Shit like this is going to happen when a form of music isn't bound by anything. Some people do good with it like the band Orphand land, who combines cultural music of israel(sp?) with metal and has lyrical themes of three of the worlds most conflicting religions, and others do stupid shit, like this.

[station82o]

You can't say something isn't a part of your favorite genre just because they say something you don't like, or because they suck. Burzum is metal and it's a hell of a lot more racist than this.

No I can say whatever I want, shit like this and crappy Burzum (who honestly gives a damn about Varg Vikernes or national socialist retardation?) is one of the reasons why metal gets a bad rap and is misunderstood. Dont give these schmucks any credit.

I wouldn't get mad about it.

Yeah i'm throwing shit around in rage. Where'd you think I was mad about it - I just dont think its worth paying any amount of attention to.

[g0zen]

I know for a fact that you are wrong about the japanese feeling that way. I have experienced first hand Japanese people looking down on other asians that are born in japan of nonjapense parents. It goes well beyond nationalism.

Even if that was the case then it STILL isn't a racial issue, it's a cultural one. That was my point, that it wasn't about race, which it isn't. So, really, you've only help prove my point.

I don't really think it is a matter of if he should be proud of his skin color, but a desire to to have the ability to act like he is proud, in much the same way that any nonwhite person can, with out getting shit for it.

This doesn't make any sense. Who is stopping him from embracing an ignorant and unnecessary pride in his skin pigment? The 'nonwhites'? They may come out against it because they have a stereotypical perception of it, but that is in no way a real deterrent. 'White Power' advocates are allowed to gather and march just as much as any other group. I've seen it myself, and I figured if anyone you would have too.

The problem here is that 'nonwhites' gather to form solidarity against what they feel to be injustices perpertrated against them by the majority. Whites (as in people with pale skin pigment and of European ancestry) ARE the majority and thus their interests are represented as the norm. Why would they need to form solidarity when they are already the controlling factor of society?

Another reason 'nonwhites' gather is because they share a similiar culture and feel comfortable being surrounded by that culture. Whites don't have this problem, their culture is THE culture. Look around you, almost every facet of society in America is dominated by European culture. What do you need to form solidarity against? The tiny specks of diversity in the societal sea?

As I said before, almost all of the arguments made by these supremacist groups are really at their heart about class struggle more than race.

[jyoung]

I can't believe they listed everyone who posts on their shitty forum. LOL for reals.

Seriously, until I saw this video I did not know that former WWF wrestler X-Pac supported Nationalist ideology.

I've heard of National Socialist Black Metal and non-racist Black Metal made by racists (Varg Vikerness with Burzum, Hellhammer with Mayhem and Fenriz with Darkthrone to name a few) but the day I hear racist Power Metal...wow.

Viking/Power metal has frequently glorified figures and folklore from the early European heathen/pagan civilizations, but it is true that this extreme type of Nationalism goes several steps beyond a simple reverence for the Nordic ethnic/cultural heritage.

I didn't listen to it so I'll just have to take Stations word for it that it's not Metal because he is the master of such things.

In this case, station is letting his personal beliefs interfere with his judgment of what is/isn’t metal. In truth, Battlecry is no less metal than similar, well-known bands like Manowar and Hammerfall. Just watch the video and see for yourself; it’s a masterpiece of unintentional hilarity.

Though while you're all complaining about racist music I can bet at least a few of you listen to Slayer. Listen to one of Slayer's most popular songs "Angel of Death". It's full of Nazi imagery, it's about a dude (forget his real name) who did all kinds of fucked up experiments on people in the Death Camps who was nicknamed "Angel of Death".

The funny thing is that Slayer's vocalist isn't even White and he says all this shit about the Aryan raceAs for Slayer, that's all well and true but the fact of the matter is that it's still there and the band identified with a lot of Nazi imagery in the mid-80's. I never thought they were racist, just a bunch of Heavy Metal idiots.
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I always thought that it was common knowledge amongst the metal community that Slayer’s vocal and visual imagery has always been nothing more than a non-serious shock shtick (there have been tons of interviews throughout Slayer’s twenty-year career that support that statement).

Random interview from Google: http://www.metal-rules.com/interviews/SlayerKings.htm

KK: SLAYER is not a political band.

Do you find it harder and harder to wake people up nowadays in order to get some reaction from them?

KK: What do you mean by that… ?

I mean, to shock people with your lyrics and stuff, for example?

KK: Well, it´s definitely harder to shock people than it was when our 1st record came out in 1983 because now people have done everything we did back then. I mean, MARILYN MANSON got popular with "Antichrist Superstar" doing shit we did 10 years before that. So, that was ok then. People get used to it and if you try to shock somebody, you have to go more out of the limit every time and think of the most abstract thing you could be able to come up with.

What ´bout "Angel of Death"?

KK: What ´bout it…?!

Have you ever been blamed for supporting Nazis by that song?

KK: Of course we have!! Germans are sensitive people and they are always trying to share words in their mouth that aren´t there. In fact, a lot of journalists in Europe in general do that, but y´know, there´s nothing wrong with stating the fact of history; there´s just nothing in that song that says which is good or bad.

dude, i could careless if these shitholes have an entry on some website, that doesn't give them the right to call themselves metal, they're certainly not metal to me. Fuck these racist idiots.

That link is from The Metal Archives, a.k.a. the Internet’s most well-known scholastic authority on metal-related information. Of the thousands of bands listed on the site, about 97 % are true metal.

Believe it or not, lyrical content has no pertinence in determining whether or not a band is true metal.

No I can say whatever I want, shit like this and crappy Burzum (who honestly gives a damn about Varg Vikernes or national socialist retardation?) is one of the reasons why metal gets a bad rap and is misunderstood. Dont give these schmucks any credit.

I’m sorry that you feel this way, because you’re missing out on a lot of quality metal by placing more weight on a band’s weltanschauung than on the music’s actual merit. Burzum, Graveland, Judas Iscariot, Nokturnal Mortum, etc. have all made significant contributions to true metal regardless of racist paradigms and lyrical content.

I like how who ever added that to the site says the music is about Pride and National Socialism.

You’re mistaking lyrical themes for musical themes. Though (probably) intentionally vague, Battlecry’s lyrics subtly affirm their feelings of white pride and superiority (thus justifying the national socialism description—also, notice that this video is being hosted on nationalistpartyusa.org).

So yeah, this post ended up being a lot longer than I initially anticipated, but if it helps to clear up a few people’s overall perception of true metal, than I suppose all this typing is not in vain.

[Fe 26]

Even if that was the case then it STILL isn't a racial issue, it's a cultural one. That was my point, that it wasn't about race, which it isn't. So, really, you've only help prove my point.

If you really want to get down to it, racism itself is cultural.

This doesn't make any sense. Who is stopping him from embracing an ignorant and unnecessary pride in his skin pigment? The 'nonwhites'? They may come out against it because they have a stereotypical perception of it, but that is in no way a real deterrent. 'White Power' advocates are allowed to gather and march just as much as any other group. I've seen it myself, and I figured if anyone you would have too.

I've never seen a white power march or gathering in Mississippi. Maybe i've just been lucky so far

The problem here is that 'nonwhites' gather to form solidarity against what they feel to be injustices perpertrated against them by the majority. Whites (as in people with pale skin pigment and of European ancestry) ARE the majority and thus their interests are represented as the norm. Why would they need to form solidarity when they are already the controlling factor of society?

I don't think for the people who care about such things, the issue is about power. I think for them, it is an issue of fairness and issue of acceptance. It is ok for minorities to be racist and mean, while "whites" are ostracized, beaten, or even killed for the same behavior. I think Opaque just wishes he could be an asshole and be delt with just as fairly as minorities are treated when they are assholes about race.

I don’t know, maybe it isn’t something you can understand if you have never been made to feel inferior or threatened with violence just for your skin color.

[sethsez]

No I can say whatever I want, shit like this and crappy Burzum (who honestly gives a damn about Varg Vikernes or national socialist retardation?) is one of the reasons why metal gets a bad rap and is misunderstood. Dont give these schmucks any credit.

"Metal" is a genre of music, not a measure of quality, so saying "they're metal" isn't making any claim on their ability or relative worth. It is a sound, not an attitude or an image or anything like that.

They're metal. They're bad metal, stupid metal, and racist metal, but they're metal. It's like saying "Mein Kampf" isn't a book because you dislike it. Well, of course it's a book, it's just a blatantly racist one.

[g0zen]

If you really want to get down to it, racism itself is cultural.

That's what I've been saying IronPlant.