Redneck racist power metal.

[Ste-Von]

I just moved to a much more culturally diverse area than where I used to live (I moved from the Annapolis, MD area to about 20 miles NW of DC). It's actually pretty cool to have lots of nationalities and ethnicities in one area because it seems to make most people accepting of other cultures (not all, but most). Not only that, there are a bajillion different kinds of ethnic restaurants around here. Interestingly, I always have customers walk up to me at work and just start speaking Spanish to me. Actually makes me want to learn how to speak that language, as many people in my area are bilingual.

And, umm.....SLAYER ROOLZ!!!

[Fe 26]

The point is even if the Japanese don't THINK it's only a cultural issue, really it is. There is no 'Japanese race'. Their reasons for holding the stereotypes they do is because of culture and nationalism. If I'm wrong, feel free to correct me, you'd know far more about Japan than I do.

OK, I think we all know by now that race is a made up concept and the real problems are cultural. How does pointing out the difference help us in this discussion?

BTW, am I wrong for thinking mexican and sterotypical black youth culture sucks fat fucking dick?

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OK, I think we all know by now that race is a made up concept and the real problems are cultural. How does pointing out the difference help us in this discussion?

Apparently we don't 'all know' or else videos like this wouldn't exist. Besides, sphere was adamant in saying race was genetic, I was doing what I could to educate him. That helps the discussion far more than anything you've posted. Especially when it's just bullshit like this:

BTW, am I wrong for thinking mexican and sterotypical black youth culture sucks fat fucking dick?

You ARE wrong because you're judging a stereotype. Besides, stereotypical white southern culture sucks equally as much dick, if not more.

[Fe 26]

You ARE wrong because you're judging a stereotype. Besides, stereotypical white southern culture sucks equally as much dick, if not more.

It is wrong to judge sterotypes? I can't have an opinion of them? So I'm wrong too for not liking stereotypical white southerners? Man, that is three in a row.

[Kev]

SLAYER [RULES]!!!

Yeah they do.

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So I'm wrong too for not liking stereotypical white southerners? Man, that is three in a row.

It's bigot Tic-Tac-Toe, and you've just won!

[sphere79]

There is genetic commonality between ALL humans, but none that specifically sets aside one group from another along lines you define as 'racial'. So, to be exact there is no 'caucasian' gene nor is there a 'negroid' gene. If you have science that points to the contrary, let's see it.

I think maybe the use of the word "race" may be incorrect (though, if that is the case it is incorrectly used by many people). To be accurate, yes the Human DNA Genome is 99.99% the same throughout all variations of peoples. It is also 99.99% the same as compared to many animals. It is the .01% that makes the difference. And you are correct, there is no "caucasian" or "negroid" gene per se, there are slight variations within tested samples that are common to common peoples. These variations can therefore be studied and used to determine specifically what ancestral makeup a person has.

It is a relatively new field however as more research emerges and more DNA samples are studied from various continents (matched of course to and taking into consideration historic migration patterns) it is becoming a more and more accurate way to know one's racial (there's that word again) makeup and/or ancestry.

It is also of particular interest to many minority groups as a way to study and learn why certain diseases show prevalence in some and not others. It has recently been used by Indian tribes to determine whether someone making the claim they are American Indian has enough DNA to be considered as such.

You can't say it's a cultural one either. Look at Europe's history, has it been a series of smiles and happiness and 'racial harmony'?

I'm not saying that there's any one factor. Just that race (or ethnicity) IS a factor.

That has nothing to do with race and everything to do with geographically origins. Take sickle cell anemia for example, it isn't just blacks who're prone to having higher occurances of it, but also men of Mediterreanian descent. They are 'caucasoid' yet because they descend from a climate in which malaria was a problem, they too have this mutation. It has NOTHING to do with the color of their skin.

I never said it had anything to do with the color of their skin. And no matter how it became prevalent, it's in the genes and therefore part of black geneology.

Science has been clear for generations now that race is a social distinction, not a scientific one.

Assuming there is agreement on what "race" actually designates, the Human Genome Project and other recent research has shown that ancestral history can be traced by studying genes. There's even discussion about its progress and ramifications in mainstream publications such as the Scientific American. And lets not forget the folks at Ancestry by DNA who are one of the companies offering DNA "print" services.

You think maybe the reason curry shops are overtaking "fish and chips" restaurants is because English food sucks and English people (meaning those of 'white' ancestory) are eating at these Indian joints more? These places succeed and multiply because people go to them, people all colors.

I think the point is the influx of immigrants have affected the culture. Whether that impact is positive or negative is what is open to debate.

This is reactionary and ridiculous. Look around the world and you will see the dominance of Western Anglo culture, 'white' culture. The idea that radicals in the immigration movement are going to drive the 'white majority' out of this country and back to our 'European homeland' is laughable.

I agree, and I never said that's what was going to happen. My bringing up La Raza and the Aztlan movement was to prove my point that blatantly racist minorities (La Raza means "The Race"), some of whom aren't even legal citizens can organize, harass and threaten without fear of arrest or mainstream media backlash. They'll even get funding from massive corporations and have politicians like Hillary Clinton in full support of their hispanic interests.

In both Western Europe and in the United States, those who are identified as 'caucasian' are in the majority.

Though all statistics point to a dwindling of caucasians in this country. The reasons are various but either way caucasians are simply not allowed to be concerned about it like others are.

Become more open-minded and understand that reactionary nativism harms themselves as much as the ones they're trying to oppose?

How is it hurting the nativists? You can still buy a Pizza in Japan, and enjoy many "American" cultural things. Plus you don't have any of the BS "racial tensions" or mandatory "diversity training" problems. I ask you, are the people of Japan (and other homogenous nations) "close-minded" or "racist?"

Also, those laws you're talking about, what color was the person who wrote them? What color were the people who voted them into action?

Probably mostly white, but that is beside the point. We already established the corporations and politicians cannot have a white racial identity in the same way that minority politicians and corporations can. How about what the owner of "Blacknificent" books Kamau Kambon at the C-SPAN forum entitled "Black Media Forum on Image of Black Americans in Mainstream Media" said on Friday?

"And the one idea is, how we are going to exterminate white people because that in my estimation is the only conclusion I have come to. We have to exterminate white people off the face of the planet to solve the problem."

This was Friday. On CSPAN. Here's the link. Now, can you find a SINGLE AP story even the slightest bit outraged by his comments?

Anyway, Brigitte Bardot's agenda is not only a racist one, but a fascist one.

So her suggesting France stay French is racist? But illegal Mexicans organizing as "The Race" claiming US soil as thier own are only "radicals" in your eyes?

In the same book you're quoting from A Scream in the Silence she goes on to call homosexuals "fairground freaks" and vehemently condemns women holding positions in the government.

I believe it was an interview I quoted and not her actual book.

The comments she was arrested for, however, were for encouraging civilian massacres in Algeria.

Again, I can't say I support her ideas or comments but I was refering to her latest fine, which was for generic "racial hatred inciting." Still, why is someone ARRESTED FOR COMMENTS? Making a specific, serious threat against someone is a different story but no one should be arrested for thoughts, ideas or comments, no matter how ugly they may be.

Stand up to what? I don't see what the coming threat is that you're so worried about.

See above. And the ADL's Hate-Crime bill is making it's way though our system of government as we speak. Things like it have already had negative effects in Canada, and are poised to do the same here. It's simple. A crime is a crime. The motivation behind it doesn't make it worse and is irrelevant in the criminal courts.

The foreign-born population of the United States is currently 33.1 million, equal to 11.5 percent of the U.S. population. Of this total, the Census Bureau estimates 8-9 million are illegal immigrants. So, if any of you math majors out there want to take a crack at it, what's the total percentage of illegal immigrants out the US population?

I'm guessing under 4% and at most 6%. Wow, if they're going to completely usurp our culture they better have Mechs or Godzilla or something.

Funny you mention Mechs as MEChA is the Movimiento Estudiantil Chicano de Aztlan or Chicano Student Movement of Aztlan. Again, a group with representation on college campuses with support from professors. And the census bureau pretty much admits it has no idea how many illegal immigrants are really in the US, its estimates are likely low. And I also never said they were going to completely usurp our culture. I was referring to long-term impacts and how it will effect the US many, many generations from now. It WILL radically change it, there is no question of it. Ask the Ohio business owner who was told his "For Service Speak English" sign has violated Ohio state civil rights laws. Keep in mind the sign has received no complaints but he may be required to take "diversity training" classes, pay for anti-discrimination advertising and take the sign down if he loses his appeal. Do you think the same thing would happen to a Hispanic-oriented business owner?

Once they've made enough money, a lot of them return to Mexico to retire. Why would they want to integrate if they knew they weren't going to stay?

Then why do some of them want to take US land they claim is theirs? It's not like they're running out of space in Mexico. What they really want are the infrastructures currently built upon said regions.

The Mexican government is partially responsible, but so is the American government and corporate America.

I never said the American government and corporations weren't responsiible, in fact I said they enjoy the fruits of their labor - even if the majority of US citizens oppose their actions (or inactions, as it may be).

LOL, you show me where you're getting that figure.

I've heard it before, though it's obviously a ballsy claim and impossible to prove. It comes from the idea that there are supposedly 105 million Mexicans, and some Mexican immigration (legal and illegal) stats are closer to 20/30 million in the US. There was a recent poll in Mexico showing that 40% of citizens polled wish to live in the US. That must make the governement down there real proud.

The Mexican government would collectively do a little dance if they could get US 'gringos' to immigrate legally, illegally, or whatever to Mexico. Why? Because they could tax them, and since gringos are per capita more wealthy than Mexican citizens, this would mean a windfall for their economy.

I doubt they would accept American culture suplanting theirs. And US citizens who buy land in Mexico have to do it through a holding company because they cannot even legally own land.

This would also provide them with more far more skilled labor, technological expertise, etc.

So who's building those Fords, Nissans, VW's, Toyotas, Chryslers, etc. as we speak?

This is not say that Mexicans are incapable of becoming skilled laborers or technicians, they just don't have the means or the opportunities in which to become them.

They have them when outside corporations are willing to exploit their lower labor costs and flimsy environmental laws for profits.

How can you argue the disempowerment of 'whites' when its whites who control the economy, the government, and the culture?

Because George Bush doesn't care about white people!!!

Does that not make YOU one of the ones who're attacking the dominant culture?

Yes, but no matter what the ethnicity of the string pullers, ultimately I think their motives harm EVERYONE in this society.

And cultures which are fiercely insular and nativist have flourished? Look at China and Japan, for example, they fought to keep the West out for centuries and what did it get them? Complete cultural domination in both cases. There is no evidence I know of in the historical record of a culture remaining totally isolated and flourishing without any problems or instability.

I never said anything about neccessarily being totally isolated. Regardless of what culture is sold to them, at the end of the day they are Chinese and Japanese.

Others like ourselves? If you're white I can tell you right now you and I do not have a common bond other than our skin shares a similiar pigment.

I'm not saying you WILL have a bond based only on appearances or ethnicity, just that it plays a part in it. Not the whole part mind you - social, religious and other beliefs play into it as well.

Mexicans, Dominicans, and Puerto Ricans are not members of different races. Thus, you're invalidating the very heart of your argument.

First off, I would venture to guess there are discernable genetic differences (though likely smaller than other varying ethnic groups), but they are essentially classified (at least by society) as one group. All that shows is that there is a social component, it doesn't invalidate a genetic one as well. Actually, I wonder if they are segregated in prison?

What sort of thing? Canada is proud of being multicultural. Nobody's complaining about Canada losing its identity.

Of course not, the can't or they'll get hauled off to jail! XM satellite radio is talking about launching a Canadian version and it'll have to lighten up the talk shows or not have some at all for fear of being sued under ansurd Canadian "hate-crime" laws. THAT is the sort of thing I'm talking about. And we think we've got it bad in the states with TWO languages on the ATM's, the one's I saw in Montreal had like 8!

I just moved to a much more culturally diverse area than where I used to live (I moved from the Annapolis, MD area to about 20 miles NW of DC). It's actually pretty cool to have lots of nationalities and ethnicities in one area because it seems to make most people accepting of other cultures (not all, but most).

They are in any situation where they have to be. Go to the family reunions and various holiday celebrations amongst those diverse peoples and you'll see 80-90 (higher for some) percent ethnic homogeneity in nearly all cases.

Not only that, there are a bajillion different kinds of ethnic restaurants around here. Interestingly, I always have customers walk up to me at work and just start speaking Spanish to me. Actually makes me want to learn how to speak that language, as many people in my area are bilingual.

Like I said, they experience other foods in Japan. Also, how does the crime rate compare to where you were vs. now?

So, to sum it up: 1. There ARE in fact discernable, viable differences in genetic makeup between different ethnic groups (lets not use "races"). 2. Minorities can get away with stuff whites cannot. 3. Regardless of who controls the power structure it currently seems to work against whites at least in some cases. (Again, I'm not claiming it doesn't for others too.) 4. Hate Crime laws are not needed and are a slippery slope. 5. Discussion of certain topics by certain races makes people uncomfortable and may get you arrested (if you are the wrong color) in some countries. And that's bad.

[Josh]

Yeah they do.

Fucking right.

[Brisco Bold]

Of course not, the can't or they'll get hauled off to jail! XM satellite radio is talking about launching a Canadian version and it'll have to lighten up the talk shows or not have some at all for fear of being sued under ansurd Canadian "hate-crime" laws. THAT is the sort of thing I'm talking about. And we think we've got it bad in the states with TWO languages on the ATM's, the one's I saw in Montreal had like 8!

What the fuck are you talking about? We were born and raised to be tolerant of other cultures and races. We're not afraid of being hauled off to jail. Everything you're talking about is foreign to most people who live up here. Ask Andrew, Kedawa, Jonas, StriderKyo, Neozeed and Rocca. (Two of which speak french.)


Who cares if there are multiple languages at ATMs? You don't like convience?

You speak as though we should be preparing for some huge race war.

Keep Canada out of this. You know nothing about this country.

[gamevet]

The Metal Band Josh linked, isn't just bad; it's Ronnie James Dio bad.