Microsoft Announces External HD-DVD Drive for 360

[mollipen]

you know how xp has classic mode? vista will have that too. ms is also taking out a big chunk of the graphical aspect from Vista (itll be available later) so the already exaggerated system specs won't hold true.

but i wouldn't expect you to know all this since you don't really grasp pc's.

Hey, wow, guess what? I DID know all of that. A number of things from Vista are being removed for the initial release, or pushed back indefinately, while other items that were once Vista exclusive are now also being brought backwards to XP. That just proves my point even more that it is questionable how Vista is going to do adaption rate wise, and how quickly.

And so what about classic mode? Take away many of the new features that were promised, and then take away the new visual bells and whistles to get it to run on an older machine, and what do you have that will convince people to upgrade? Under the hood fixes? Apple is smart enough to know that you can't sell updates with just backend fixes to a huge amount of people. That's why, even if a lot of techie Mac people don't care about things like Dashboard or whatnot, they're important to get the casual user interested.

[gamevet]

Most people won't notice the difference between 480p DVD and 1080i or 720p TV. Sad but true.

Would that be the blind?

[Razor Ramon]

Can someone please explain Vista a bit more?

[Schlep]

Would that be the blind?

It would be your average television viewer.

[TobalRox]

they've been saying 2007 for like the past year now.

They announced this week that it'll be out end of this year, barring anymore delays.

Can someone please explain Vista a bit more?

OSX for the PC Here's a link for proof:

http://www.maclive.net/sid/134

[Dyne]

And so what about classic mode? Take away many of the new features that were promised, and then take away the new visual bells and whistles to get it to run on an older machine, and what do you have that will convince people to upgrade? Under the hood fixes? Apple is smart enough to know that you can't sell updates with just backend fixes to a huge amount of people. That's why, even if a lot of techie Mac people don't care about things like Dashboard or whatnot, they're important to get the casual user interested.

im not seeing an argument here. my only point was that it (Vista) will run on older machines. you seemed to gloss over that. And "classic" mode doesn't take away feature. just like XP it just changes the visual style. you understand this right? yes they're stripping it but thats not "classic" mode. two completely different things.

doesn't Apple charge for every OS update (i.e you have to pay to go from OSX to OSX 10.1, 10.3...whatever?) that's why i find this "Apple is smart enough to know that you can't sell updates with just backend fixes to a huge amount of people. That's why, even if a lot of techie Mac people don't care about things like Dashboard or whatnot, they're important to get the casual user interested" funny.

[TobalRox]

It would be your average television viewer.

Anyone who actually has a setup that's done correctly notices a difference. My mom never notices differences, but did when I showed her HD. THe only person I know who didn't notice was my aunt, but she got a 4x3 CRT HDTV and it DIDN'T look any different. She came over my house and was pissed she spent all that money on a TV and didn't see a difference like she did on mine.

EDIT: People enjoy a new TV even to "get rid of those damn black bars."

[Dyne]

Can someone please explain Vista a bit more?

microsoft.com and google can.

[K3V]

Anyone who actually has a setup that's done correctly notices a difference. My mom never notices differences, but did when I showed her HD. THe only person I know who didn't notice was my aunt, but she got a 4x3 CRT HDTV and it DIDN'T look any different. She came over my house and was pissed she spent all that money on a TV and didn't see a difference like she did on mine.

EDIT: People enjoy a new TV even to "get rid of those damn black bars."

Even when there are still "black bars" when movies are shot in scope?

[Schlep]

Anyone who actually has a setup that's done correctly notices a difference. My mom never notices differences, but did when I showed her HD. THe only person I know who didn't notice was my aunt, but she got a 4x3 CRT HDTV and it DIDN'T look any different. She came over my house and was pissed she spent all that money on a TV and didn't see a difference like she did on mine.

EDIT: People enjoy a new TV even to "get rid of those damn black bars."

See, at the very end you go on to state exactly my case. People are damned idiots when it comes to home theater and you know it. Do you know how many people complain about movies they buy having black bars, and wanting full screen versions so they can "see the whole movie"? 25,304,842.

Your average person either won't see much of a difference, or won't care enough to buy a new player. Again, the only way either one will become the next standard by 2015 is if they're shoved down people's throats by them not having any other choice.