I keep hearing people say this, yet they can never tell me what it means. I use my PS2 as my main DVD player, and so far I've seen nothing "shitty" about it. Is it a high-class DVD player? No. Can it do progressive scan upscaling or whatever the hell it's called? No. But otherwise, what makes it shitty exactly?
You just answered your own question. The fact that it didn't do progressive scan, when even a $30 DVD player can do it, that makes it shitty. Granted, that has since been resolved, but until the slim came out, it was inexcusable. It also sucks because it would always pause for the layer change, which NONE of my DVD players do. And to round it all off, I consider it personally a shitty DVD player since I had DVDs that would work just fine on my 2 PCs, my DVD player, my mom's DVD player, the TiVo DVD player, my friend's, etc, etc, etc... and yet you put it in a PS2 and it would get disc read errors, skip, etc. Games worked fine, and yet on MULTIPLE PS2s (so you can't say mine was dusty/dirty or whatever) it would have issues.
Originally Posted by gamevet
That's the dumbest idea I've ever seen. The only reason anyone would buy something like that, was to record HD programming, but they have DVD players that do that now.
DVD players don't display in HD.. hence a need for HD-DVD and Blu-Ray. The reason why it came out was it was in true hi-def with DTS surround sound at a time (which still includes now) where there was no home format that did that.
The argument is that many people just recently finished rebuilding their libraries on DVD, and that HD-DVD/Blu-ray are coming along too soon.
What does this have to do with anything? People will do the same with HD-DVD/Blu-ray that they did with DVD - initially, they'll buy one or two here or there, picking up their favorite movies. As they watch those, they'll start to see how shit their old copies are, and want to upgrade more of their library. Nobody is asking them to repurchase everything day one.
DVD is only a 9 year old technology, and a huge majority of people don't even yet own HDTV's.
But as I said, HDTVs aren't going to go down in sales, they're going to go up. And once you get an HDTV, and you see your first tastes of a movie in HD, you aren't going to be satisfied with watching your old DVDs on your HDTV anymore.
As well, nobody (I don't think) is saying that these new formats are going to kill off DVD anytime soon. DVD is still goign to exist just fine, especially since both new generations of players will be able to play them. HD-DVD/Blu-ray will be for the people who want the better format, DVD will be there for the people who haven't moved on to HDTV yet or for that programming that just doesn't need HD.
I've seen demos, and it is better, but it's not the quantum leap in technology that DVDs were. The video is sharper, but that's about all that people are going to notice.
The video is "sharper?" Come on. I'm attaching a graphics that I put together before to show the differences in image resolution between the formats - you're going to sit here and tell me that the only difference between DVD and an HDTV-supporting new disc format is a bit of sharpness?
There are also other added benefits. As somebody who watches a lot of subtitled movies, I'm glad that (from what I understand) subtitles are now text instead of images, so that font face, size, placement, etc. can all be modified by the end user.
Is it possible that one of these two will be the new standard? Sure. Is it probable? Not really. The only way I could see it happening is if the technology got so cheap that they made blu-ray/hd-dvd standard on all DVD players. I don't think it will take off on its own merits.
So you think that everybody who owns an HDTV is going to be perfectly happy watching regular old DVDs on them, and aren't going to want something better?
Betamax
Killed because of Sony's stupidity over liscencing.
Laserdisc
Successful for what it was, and was limited by the fact that technology at that point simply wasn't ready for that kind of format.
Mini disc
Was very popular in Japan, and some other countries, and still is.
SACD, DVD-A
Video and audio are totally different things, and people want different things out of each. As well, audio improvements are far harder to tell than video ones. And to be fair, the verdict is still out on these - they haven't taken off, but they aren't "failed" yet. With the PS3 also being an SACD player, you never know, the format could get more popular.
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I was referring less to the high-end features and more the disc reading problems of earlier PS2s and how pretty much everyone uses the controller as a remote, which I still find clunky. Small complaint, but I really wish it'd play VCDs too. <$50 DVD players can do that. I still find the whole experience better than watching DVDs on my laptop, though.
To Sony's credit, though, at least they didn't make you buy the $30 remote before you could watch movies at all.
Ha, well, this is true.. but she also likes to keep her web browser updated since she does look at videos people send her, pics, her mail (which is Hotmail, aka, Microsoft, so she's told to upgrade). Plus now she can watch DVDs, so she saw it as a worthwhile upgrade. It's not uncommon either, I know other people's parents that do the same. I'm not saying it's widespread... just that there ARE people out there that upgrade a lot. I see people come into work all the time looking for new PCs, or something to upgrade... also, since they are so cheap (compared to how they were before), people are constantly coming in to get one "for their son/daughter" so they can each have their own.
You just answered your own question. The fact that it didn't do progressive scan, when even a $30 DVD player can do it, that makes it shitty.
At the time, there weren't $30 DVD players, and you weren't going to get a progessive scan DVD player for what the PS2 cost, that I know of. So it isn't fair to knock it for something that wasn't common anyhow. As well, TVs that could even handle a progressive scan output weren't all that common.
It also sucks because it would always pause for the layer change, which NONE of my DVD players do.
I'm not sure how long you've owned DVD players, but I got my first one a few months after they were released in the US, and pretty much ALL DVD players did this for quite some time. So, I guess to me, this was never that big of a deal, because it was always the case with all DVD players I owned up until the PS2. And being that I was an LD owner before that, a quick little pause which the laser changes direction is a silly thing to complain about after being used to LDs.
And to round it all off, I consider it personally a shitty DVD player since I had DVDs that would work just fine on my 2 PCs, my DVD player, my mom's DVD player, the TiVo DVD player, my friend's, etc, etc, etc... and yet you put it in a PS2 and it would get disc read errors, skip, etc. Games worked fine, and yet on MULTIPLE PS2s (so you can't say mine was dusty/dirty or whatever) it would have issues.
I dunno, I've only ever had one DVD that didn't work for me, and that was a HK DVD of questionable legality. Otherwise, I've had issues with DVD-R and DVD-RW discs, but that's about it.
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That's the dumbest idea I've ever seen. The only reason anyone would buy something like that, was to record HD programming, but they have DVD players that do that now.
yes it's dumb, but it's interesting nontheless.
i can imagine those tapes loosing quality a few years down the line. also picture the dust that would accumilate on the videotape head and crap.
EDIT:you guys make it like Blu-Ray is not backward compatible with your older DVDs. sheesh, all they have to do is replace their old DVD with a BD player and you're all set(considering you have an HDTV to unlock it's full potential)
I was referring less to the high-end features and more the disc reading problems of earlier PS2s and how pretty much everyone uses the controller as a remote, which I still find clunky.
PS2 hardware quality complaints in general are totally valid. As for the controller thing, I never minded all that much, but I then went out and spent $15 for a used remote at EB. If the remote hadn't been available, I'd agree with you on that one, but it was, and people could just go out and pick one up.
Small complaint, but I really wish it'd play VCDs too. <$50 DVD players can do that. I still find the whole experience better than watching DVDs on my laptop, though.
Absolutely - I really wish it could have played VCDs as well. But, as I was saying in another reply, you have to look at what was out at the time. VCD-playing DVD players were not at all common at that point.
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The video is "sharper?" Come on. I'm attaching a graphics that I put together before to show the differences in image resolution between the formats - you're going to sit here and tell me that the only difference between DVD and an HDTV-supporting new disc format is a bit of sharpness?
There are also other added benefits. As somebody who watches a lot of subtitled movies, I'm glad that (from what I understand) subtitles are now text instead of images, so that font face, size, placement, etc. can all be modified by the end user.
DVD brought in sharper video, 5.1 surround, optional subtitles, smaller media, no rewinding, special features, and rent by mail. I'm sure some of this was available on Laserdisc too, but no one cared.
What do these new formats bring? Sharper video. Is that going to cause the majority of people to rebuild their libraries? Probably not. Like I said, I'm a HT enthusiast, and I won't even be repurchasing my stuff on either of those formats anytime soon.
I think they're coming out way too soon. I think there's too much infighting over control of the format; hell, DVD recorders still aren't commonplace because of all the fighting over DVD-R and DVD+R. They're just now starting to come down in price and show up on shelves at reasonable prices.
Anyway. One of these could end up as the next Laserdisc, but not the next DVD. The only way one would do that is if the tech got so cheap it were built into all DVD players, in my opinion. You're not going to change my opinion on this.
I forgot to add that the only reason most HDTV's are even sold is because there's no other alternative for 32" and above anymore. There isn't some mass hunger for sharper video and better sound on that front. If something is forced down people's throat by not having another choice, it'll succeed by default.
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