2006 Oscar Nods

[Yamcha]

Don't forget when Russell Crowe won for Gladiator. WTF?

[Diff-chan]

Anyway, I think the hate towards Crash is very characteristically misplaced. The point of the movie was to show how racism festers naturally through stereotype, stereotype deserved in some instances and not in others. There will always be coincedence in movies (like the girl getting in a car accident and Matt Dillon being the one to save her) but as a movie I think it really put racism in a more realistic lime light, where not all of it was racial slurs or overtly racist comments.

No, the problem was that it wasnt natural at all. Lets say you get carjacked by a bunch of hoods. You're suspicious about the guy who is changing your locks. Do you yell at it within earshot? I dont think so. When you're banging a really hot girl way out of your league do you go and make uninformed slurs right to her face? I dont think so. Did you honestly see Terence Howard going nutso like that? How often do people accused of being "Uncle Toms" actually do shit like that? People dont clench their SO's hands tighter because of the black guy next to them. It was ridiculous and not realistic.

Some parts were, though, like Matt Dillon feeling up her wife, or Ryan Phillippe killing that guy at the end. The rest of it was cartoonish and as manipulative as a Bruckheimer film. It didnt make anyone think, it just pushed all the buttons and moved you along. A movie that actually shows how racism gnaws away at society would be great. Crash wasn't it.

Don't forget when Russell Crowe won for Gladiator. WTF?

That was more an apology for not giving him the award for The Insider. Eh.

[Clash!]

No, the problem was that it wasnt natural at all. Lets say you get carjacked by a bunch of hoods. You're suspicious about the guy who is changing your locks. Do you yell at it within earshot? I dont think so. When you're banging a really hot girl way out of your league do you go and make uninformed slurs right to her face? I dont think so. Did you honestly see Terence Howard going nutso like that? How often do people accused of being "Uncle Toms" actually do shit like that? It was ridiculous and not realistic.
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Exactly! More than half of the racial incidents were unrealisitc, especially in this day and age when people are so afraid of getting caught offending someone. Every ounce of the movie was like direct racisim with full intent. The movie gets unauthentic right off the bat when Esposito makes fun of the way the asian lady talks, right infront of her detective partner Don Cheadle, and then all of sudden later on she gets really offended by being called Mexican by accident. They just tried to make everything as racist as possible, so that their message would seem so much bigger and important.

[Diff-chan]

Exactly! More than half of the racial incidents were unrealisitc, especially in this day and age when people are so afraid of getting caught offending someone.

This is triply true in Los Angeles. I love the fucking place but its fake as hell and everyone is trying to be ultra-compassionate/tolerant/etc. Especially if you're a bourgeois bitch like Sandra Bollock's character.

[sethsez]

Crash's blatant racism could have worked if it was handled like Luis Buneal or something, instead of a cheap little Altman slice of life ripoff.

[Drewbacca]

No, the problem was that it wasnt natural at all. Lets say you get carjacked by a bunch of hoods. You're suspicious about the guy who is changing your locks. Do you yell at it within earshot? I dont think so. When you're banging a really hot girl way out of your league do you go and make uninformed slurs right to her face? I dont think so. Did you honestly see Terence Howard going nutso like that? How often do people accused of being "Uncle Toms" actually do shit like that? People dont clench their SO's hands tighter because of the black guy next to them. It was ridiculous and not realistic.

I don't agree at all. It's a film that discusses racism in a way that hasn't really been done before in movies. It directs the focus at people who congratulate themselves on being liberal, progressive, accepting, non-racists through raw confrontation about how complex human motives tend to be, and about how racism works from all angles and how in the right situation we are all capable of acting shamefully and it handles all of this head-on. It shows racism not just as hateful, but also confusion. It also deals with the heavy burden of race society puts on display daily as well.

The reason Bullocks character was shouting blatantly within earshot of the mexican guy was because of her anger that she didn't shout something blatantly before because she didn't want to offend anybody and this pussyfooted apprehension caused her to have a gun in her face 10 seconds later. I mean, as a commentary on racism without pointing precision blame it was a fantastic movie.

Crash's blatant racism could have worked if it was handled like Luis Buneal or something, instead of a cheap little Altman slice of life ripoff.

Come on, that's a little unfounded sethsez.

[arjue]

More people should see Capote. PSH fully deserved his oscar for that performance.

I haven't seen Capote yet, but I think Hoffman is one of the most underrated (well, until now atleast), greatest actors in hollywood right now. Its good to see him win.

[Sqoon]

Come on, that's a little unfounded sethsez.

No, it makes perfect sense. Have you ever seen a Bunuel movie?
A loose structure 'Altman' movie is based on the principle that what you see is natural and real. Crash is not natural. It's dramatized pap and millions of people are falling for it. It's so unsubtle and blatant that it's more suited to be filmed in a blatantly insane, Bunuel way.

[Rumpy]

Exactly! More than half of the racial incidents were unrealisitc, especially in this day and age when people are so afraid of getting caught offending someone.

The movie gets unauthentic right off the bat when Esposito makes fun of the way the asian lady talks, right infront of her detective partner Don Cheadle, and then all of sudden later on she gets really offended by being called Mexican by accident. They just tried to make everything as racist as possible, so that their message would seem so much bigger and important.

Which is what happened to Bullocks character before they get car jacked. She kept her head down, didn't say anything while all of those racist thoughts ran through her head and then the stereotype carried through. She blew up at her husband at the house because her mind was shot and she wanted the guy to hear her. She didn't give a fuck, she wasn't afraid of offending him. She was pissed, wanted to bitch and moan as loud as she wanted in her house knowing that guy wasn't going to do anything about it.

And for the other one, people will talk shit about others with few thoughts about it, but when the same shit happens to them, THEN they see it as a problem. That shit happens all the time! Love to dish it out, but can't take the same thing back at them.

[sethsez]

Come on, that's a little unfounded sethsez.

Bunuel criticized society through huge, overstated charicatures placed in surreal situations. By removing what we recognize as reality, he says "this is what you people are really like, beneath the veneer of normalcy you hide behind."

Crash tries the same "hold the mirror up to the audience" tactic, with one fatal mistake: it takes the overstated characters and places them firmly in reality. Instead of being a surreal reflection on how people really are, it's just wrong.