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  1. Quote Originally Posted by Jeremy
    Holy Christ is WWE a complete mess right now.
    They lost Randy Orton! Vince's empire is on the verge of collapse! Who will punch and put people in rear chinlocks now?! God help us all!


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  2. Thank you for once again giving me grief over something. I'll clarify it just for you. Between the WWE and ECW champion being caught with drugs, ECW being a trainwreck, the "new" DX being a joke, and this Orton situation, it is clear to see that the company is a mess. And I never said that Orton was suspended.
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  3. Hay guys! I've been on vacation so I didn't get to write this, and I'll write it now, even though it's late:


    WWE Fantasy Week in Review: Week Six










    Korly is winning.









































    And your current standings:

    Rank Team Score Average
    1 Team Korly 1636
    2 genericname.com 1579
    3 TRiPLE BREAK INC. 1491
    4 Chucker Would! 1428
    5 Thompson's Teeth 1428
    6 Team CEO Advocate 1359
    7 team avatar 1316
    8 'Roid Rage 1239
    9 Team Kennedy! 936
    10 E-Town Drunks 830
    11 blaze fire 656


    And Angle never won the WCW title. Neither did The Rock. They were never in WCW. WWE gave them a belt, and it was called the "WCW Title" but it wasn't.

    Who do you think was gonna be in the original RAW main event? I figured that RVD would pick Sabu, and I guess Edge coulda picked Foley or Orton, but I have no idea who Cena woulda picked.

  4. Hooray, I'm not in last place!

    I thought RVD would pick Sabu, Edge would pick Mick, but I couldn't think of anyone to pair Cena up with since he has no friends on the show. Maybe they'd have teame him with Carlito or some other random face on Raw who gets no time on the show.
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  5. Quote Originally Posted by Andrew

    If it keeps declining at this rate you can expect ECW to be cancelled.
    Smarks: ECW had a 1. rating drop. ECW am doomed.
    Marks: but it was on the fourth of july. The show started at the same time most fireworks shows started.
    Smarks: DOOMED!!!

  6. Quote Originally Posted by avatar
    Smarks: ECW had a 1. rating drop. ECW am doomed.
    Marks: but it was on the fourth of july. The show started at the same time most fireworks shows started.
    Smarks: DOOMED!!!
    Well I forgot about the long weekend (and I did say that, don't ignore things people say you bastard), but a 1. ratings drop is still nothing to p'shaw. They should make every effort next week to put on a memorable show to avoid the viewers who missed the show to tune in next week.

    In UFC news, it looks like UFC 60 with Matt Hughes and Royce Gracie sold well over 500,000 buys. Their last PPV rung in around 400,000 buys. UFC is growing like wild fire right now, to the point where their incidental PPV's are beginning to outsell Wrestlemania in certain markets.

    UFC 61 with Arlovski vs. Sylvia II and Shamrock vs. Ortiz II headlining the card. Shamrock's going to get his ass completely handed to him with a bow on it. I have never actually bought a UFC PPV card and probably will buy this one.
    Quote Originally Posted by rezo
    Once, a gang of fat girls threatened to beat me up for not cottoning to their advances. As they explained it to me: "guys can usually beat up girls, but we are all fat, and there are a lot of us."

  7. I love how Monty Brown called Samoa Joe a "hippofit" on Impact last night. What a fucking marblemouth. lolz.


    Quote Originally Posted by Jeremy
    Sources within WWE are confirming that Randy Orton did not meet the requirements to pass the WWE wellness program drug test. Although many details have not been released, apparently WWE Officials found over eight bottles of non-prescription painkillers in Orton's dressing bag. After the incident with RVD this past week, Vince McMahon had a talk with all talent from all three brands warning them about the use of Painkillers. It should also be noted that Randy Orton tested positive for Steriod use within the last two months. At this point, many aren't sure if WWE will make the story public, with Orton being a centerpiece of this year's Summerslam battling Hulk Hogan. However, if action isn't taken, it would be not only unfair to RVD, it would also look very bad in the eyes of the public. We will have more on this story as it develops.
    Vince publicly made fun of Orton for being too thin when he was out with an injury, but then bitches when he gets caught using 'roids. That said, if they don't take action against Orton, who's just returning from a disciplinary suspension, then that's REALLY pissing on RVD.

    Besides, unlike RVD, Orton sucks.

    What's really amazing it that it's the way WWE does business (mainly an insane schedule that makes it impossible to recover from injuries or maintain a physique) that drives its employees to use the juice and painkillers in the first place.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kano on the Phone
    They lost Randy Orton! Vince's empire is on the verge of collapse! Who will punch and put people in rear chinlocks now?! God help us all!
    IBTN.
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  8. RVD's High Times article -
    HIGH TIMES ARCHIVE - MARCH 1999:
    Rob Van Dam 420: I Am The Fucking Show


    Rob Van Dam is just your average, long-haired, pot-smoking hippie whos
    always at peace with himselfespecially when hes kicking somebody in
    the face!


    By John Holmstrom
    Photos By Andre Grossmann


    Rob Van Dam struts towards the wrestling ring. As usual, hes wearing
    his trademark psychedelic t-shirt with 420 stenciled on the back, and
    his long hair is tied into a ponytail. While the ring announcer tells
    everyone Van Dam weighs 235 pounds and is from Battle Creek, Michigan,
    hundreds of Robs fans chant: Lets Smoke Pot! Lets Smoke Pot! Robs tag
    team partner Sabu (from Bombay, Michigan), is dressed in an Arabian
    headdress and removes the safety mats from around the ring. This way,
    when someone is thrown out or jumps out of the ring, there will be
    nothing to break their fall against the hard concrete.


    As the match proceeds, Rob Van Dam and Sabu wear down their opponents,
    bad guys the Dudley Boys (Buh Buh Ray and D-von, dressed in matching
    tie-dyed t-shirts but definitely not your typical peace-loving
    hippies), with several high-flying acrobatic maneuvers that have the
    packed crowd ooohing and aaahing in disbeliefusually because Sabu and
    Van Dam are jumping off the top ropes, flying 15 feet in the air and
    landing three rows into the audience! Finally, with their two
    opponents dizzily sprawling on a long wooden table, Sabu and Van Dam
    climb up to the top ropes, and leaping high in the air, execute
    simultaneous aerial flips, and crash-land on the Dudley Boys with a
    loud CRUNCH!, breaking the table into several pieces and scattering
    bodies across the ring. As all four wrestlers recover from the mayhem,
    the crowd chants, ECW! ECW! ECW!


    Politically Incorrect... And Proud Of It!
    This is not your typical World Wrestling Federation (WWF) or World
    Championship Wrestling (WCW) event (both of which are so popular that
    they dominate the cable-TV ratings every week and are eating away at
    Monday Night Football). No, Im hanging out at an Extreme Championship
    Wrestling (ECW) event. And everything they do is hardcore from staging
    bizarro events like Barbed Wire Death Matches and Texas Chair Matches,
    to wearing HIGH TIMES t-shirts during their promos.


    Although ECW is a smaller wrestling promotion compared to Vince
    McMahons WWF and Ted Turners WCW, their anything-goes attitude has
    completely changed the sport/artform of pro wrestling. For instance,
    their pay-per-view broadcasts are expanding from four to six next
    year, and according to owner Paul Heyman (a.k.a. Paul E. Dangerously),
    theyve signed a deal with Fox Sports Channel to broadcast their weekly
    programs in selected markets.


    Their success has not gone unnoticed. Just a few years ago wrestling
    was solely designed to sell wrestling toys to preteen boys. But when
    ECW initiated their politically-incorrect, adult-oriented TV
    programming in 1995, they changed the rules. The WWF and WCW have been
    imitating ECW by running more adult story lines to appeal to
    18-to-35-year-old fans (a more valuable demographic than preteen boys
    that attracts better advertising and tripled their ratings). The Big
    Two also compete against each other by stealing ECWs most talented
    wrestlers. Some of the biggest names in WWF and WCW created or
    re-created their image in ECW: The WWFs Stone Cold Steve Austin, Mick
    Foley, Terry Funk and Al Snow, and WCWs Chris Benoit, Dean Malenko,
    Raven, Saturn and even the ECWs Extreme Icon, The Sandman.


    When I saw that one of ECWs top stars, Rob Van Dam, was using 4:20 in
    his interviews, I tracked down his Web site and sent an e-mail asking
    if hed be interested in doing an interview. He replied:


    I am very familiar with HIGH TIMES Magazine, and furthermore was proud
    when I was mentioned in the Hemp 100! I look forward to talking to you
    in the future. As for now, my clocks are all frozen. Its 4:20 here,
    time to work on one of my amazing skills
    sssssmmmmmoooookkkkkiiiiinnnnn!


    420 at Route 420
    A few weeks later, I meet up with Rob at his motel room right before
    an ECW Arena show in Philadelphia (which just happens to be at the
    intersection of Route 420 in a nearby suburb). While his tag-team
    partner and roommate, Sabu, sleeps through the entire interview, Rob
    rolls and lights one after another after another while munching on a
    turkey sandwich and peppers me with questions about being a judge at
    the Cannabis Cup and the possibility of a pot-smoking contest with the
    editorial staff of HIGH TIMES. But I want to know what its like to
    land on a concrete floor. It feels exactly like what it looks like, he
    tells me, as if I just asked a really stupid question. When I jump
    over the top rope and land ten feet down on my head on the cement, it
    feels like I just landed on my head on cement.


    At various times Van Dams been a kickboxer, toughman-contest winner,
    weightlifter and action-movie actor. He set a USAWA world
    weightlifting record for a lift he invented called the Van Dam Lift,
    which involved straddling two chairs in a leg split and lifting a
    166-1/2-pound dumbbell off the ground. He also appeared in two movies,
    Blood Moon and Superfights, and begins filming his third in a few
    months. But he has spent most of his career as a pro wrestler. Hes
    made many appearances in the WWF and WCW, but chooses to stay with ECW
    because he has more creative control over his character, and hes given
    more time to do what he enjoys the most - wrestling and fighting.


    He explains how Extreme Championship Wrestlings ring action, unlike
    the WWF and WCW, involves real fighting and an even higher tolerance
    for enduring painlike getting hit in the head with a chair. Ive been
    really hit hard, where they just crack the chair and it wraps around
    your head and it makes this loud noise, he explains. While that is
    ringing my bell and Im seeing stars for a couple minutesat the same
    time I like it because Im hearing the crowd say, OOOOH! and my job is
    being an entertainer. Im trying to please the crowd at the expense of
    my body. And trying to win.


    Van Dam then gives me the lowdown on his slogan, Rob Van Dam 420.
    Being a big-time burner, he always wore 420 t-shirts to the arena, and
    explained the 420 thing (in short, Its smokin time!) to the other ECW
    athletes who were always asking him What does 4:20 mean, anyway? So
    when ECWs t-shirt designers came up with a new Van Dam t-shirt, they
    put a few of Robs favorite things on: 420 and some yin-yang symbols.
    When TV commercials started plugging the t-shirt, ECWs pot-smoking
    fans put 4 20 together, and the Rob smokes pot! chant began. A few
    months later, he took it a step further when he announced during a TV
    interview that Rob Van Dam 420 means I just smoked your ass! (This is
    Robs takeoff on the WWFs most popular wrestler, Stone Cold Steve
    Austin, whose slogan is Austin 3:16 means I just whupped your ass!)


    Hey, Rob! Wanna smoke some herb?
    Now everywhere Rob goes fans offer him free weed. He explains, While
    Im walking from my car to the building, the fans say, Rob! I got some
    herb! Wanna smoke some herb? And definitely I hear it when I walk into
    the ringthe fans hold up signs RVD 420 and theyll chant Rob smokes
    pot! or Lets smoke pot!


    But Van Dam is not about to carry a bong with him into the ring and
    toke up on TV, since he sincerely doesnt want to send the wrong
    message to any kids who might be watching. ECW isnt aimed at kids, he
    says, so it doesnt send a bad message to kids. Since ECW usually airs
    at 2:00 AM on weekends, he has a good point. And he has this warning
    for anyone underage in the audience: Kids cant look at Rob Van Dam in
    HIGH TIMES magazine and think its cool to go ahead and smoke pot. Its
    not cool for kids to smoke pot.


    Rob didnt start smoking until he was 21 years old, and thinks people
    should wait until they are adults to drink or smoke. When I was a kid
    I thought pot-smoking was for skinny, long-haired hippies who dont
    want to do nothing but sit on the couch all day. I would stay away
    from any drug when I was a kid. For any kid, pot-smoking is going to
    get in their way and be an obstruction.


    When I mention to Van Dam why hes taking a risk in announcing to the
    world that hes a cannabis consumer, he says, People say, Hey, you can
    buy pot right down the street, pick up a bag on the corner, why do you
    care if its legal? Its not hard to find. But who wants the threat of
    cops bustin down your door takin all your shit, your house and your
    cars, just because youre smokin a little herb?


    A Visit from the FBI
    Just as Rob finishes giving me his opinion on the policeand munching
    on the sandwichthe door bursts open and the FBI storm into the room.
    No, not the police agency, the professional wrestling tag team known
    as The FBI (The Full-Blooded Italians). I recognize Tracy Smothers,
    the bigger half of the tag team, from his days with the WWF, when he
    played a good ol country boy. His partner, Guido, is the comic relief
    of the group, since hes only about five feet tall. Their manager,
    Tommy Rich, is a jovial, beefy guy who resembles Mussolini, was once a
    world champion and now waves an Italian flag with his face on it
    during the FBIs matches, which usually inspires the crowd to chant,
    Wheres my pizza!?!


    Pro wrestlers and their fans are definitely a weird subculture. Its
    reminiscent of the beatniks in the 1950s, the early hippie movement or
    punk-rock. Wrestling is a lot like rocknroll without guitars. Like a
    lot of rock musicians, wrestlers dont resemble normal people. They
    perform their art in front of enthusiastic, mostly young crowds and
    their popularity depends on how successfully they can project their
    rebellious image. We have our own set of rules, Van Dam says. We
    travel like gypsies. Sometimes were on the road for four weeks at a
    time together, and we stick together because thats the one place we do
    fit in. No matter where I go people stare at me, and come up and ask,
    Are you a wrestler? So Im used to being a freak.


    Peace, Love and Zen
    Van Dam is a bit different from your average wrestlera bit more
    intelligent, a bit more ambitious. Where some professional wrestlers
    can come off as loud, belligerent and indifferent about whether they
    accidentally kill you or not, Van Dam is soft-spoken, polite, calm,
    cool and professional. He seems like your typical peace-loving hippie,
    even though he kicks people in the head for a living. People who know
    me will tell you Im mellow, he explains. Im peaceful. Im very Zen.


    I have a the symbol of the Yin and the Yang on me at all times. I wear
    it in my earring, I have it airbrushed on my wrestling outfit. Part of
    achieving inner peace is solving all your problems. I look at each
    problem as a stick thats stuck in my stream of yin and yang. Like, if
    I get in a car accident, and Im OK, I can just look at it and be
    Zenful and say, Like wow, that kind of sucked. I realize that it
    sucked, so Im going to say that the car accident is a negative thing.
    OK, then theres no reason to get all emotional about it. Theres no
    reason to beat up the other driver, theres no need to scream, theres
    no reason to pound my fist. This comes from my comfort with Zen.


    I ask him if hes calm even when hes in the ring, in front of thousands
    of screaming fans and fighting someone who wants to wrap a metal chair
    around his head. Anyone who really knows me knows I dont get angry, he
    says calmly. Ill be completely Zenful and peaceful during the time Im
    kicking his ass, and afterwards, Ill still be peaceful then.


    Hemp For Victory
    Van Dam has one topic he wants to be sure we coverhemp. He remembers
    an article HIGH TIMES he read a few years ago about using hemp for
    fiber-board production. The arguments were just so overwhelming, he
    says, I was so impressed I did more reading. I read The Emperor Wears
    No Clothes, and Ive learned there are so many uses for marijuana and
    for hemp, from clothes to rope to food. I can wash my hair with it,
    there are even protein bars made out of hemp! Im learning every day
    about new stuff we can do with it. Rob then tells me about how he
    tries to check out the local hemp stores when hes on the road.


    Not to mention the medical uses, he adds, which is one of the
    strongest arguments for legalization. He then mentions how hes known
    people who needed cannabis to fight the nausea caused by chemotherapy
    sessions, and how crazy it is that the government keeps cannabis from
    sick people who need it for medicinal use. I really just cant believe
    that the government wants this plant to be extinct, he says.


    Im not one to fight the government but in this interview, Id just like
    to say if it came to a vote you know which way Id vote.
    As we wrap up the interview Sabu (who up until now had snoozed through
    the whole interview, the run-in with the FBI, and the turkey
    sandwich), begins to stir, and pokes his head out from under a
    blanket. Although he has never spoken one word in the ring, Sabu needs
    to make one thing clear before I leave. He motions to Van Dam, then
    whispers in his ear. Van Dam says to me, Right, Sabu. He says that he
    was smoking pot before I was.


    I leave the motel and drive to the arena, thinking about the amount of
    physical abuse that wrestlers take in the ring, and about some of the
    health problems they suffer. Its brutal. Recently, Louis Spiccoli and
    Brian Pillman died from prescription-painkiller reactions.


    It seems like a no-brainer: pro wrestlers use of cannabis should be
    classified as medical use. Marijuanas ability to help people deal with
    pain is well documented, and who needs this more than a wrestler who
    spends his evening getting a chair bashed on his head and jumping 20
    feet onto concrete floors?


    This might also explain Jesse The Body Venturas unabashed support of
    marijuana legalization. Rob Van Dam is obviously not the first pro
    wrestler to light upjust the first one with the guts to talk about it,
    as anyone who remembers the infamous Iron Sheik/Hacksaw Jim Duggan
    incident from the 1980s. (Shortly after the Iranian hostage incident,
    these two were in a blood feud, but were busted when they were caught
    sharing a joint together before an arena show.)


    Meanwhile, Back at the Ring...
    A few hours later, Im at the world-famous ECW Arena, a converted bingo
    hall that holds about 1,500 people. It seems to have about 2,000
    people crowded into it tonight. During one match, tie-dyed acid
    casualty Spike Dudley, whos about as big as the FBIs little Guido,
    struts out to the ring (unlike his much bigger Dudley brothers, Spike
    is a good guy). He is up against the biggest person I have ever seen
    in real life: Big Sally Graziano, who weighs 600 pounds and looks like
    he eats people Spikes size when he gets the munchies. As Spike runs
    around the ring getting revved up to fight, the crowd chants, LSD!
    LSD! LSD! Spike perks up as he hears the crowds chant, and opens his
    mouth and points inside, waiting for the crowd to deliver on their
    promise. When they dont, he waves them away in disgust and turns his
    attention to the much weightier matter at hand.


    Big Sally lunges forward, trying to put Spike away quickly, but the
    smallest Dudley brother runs up the ropes, grabs the big guy by the
    neck and slams his head into the canvas (Spikes patented movethe Acid
    Drop). After he pins the man-mountain for the three-count, Spike jumps
    up and down on his defeated enemy and marches all over Sallys big
    belly to the sound of AC/DCs Highway to Hell.


    Did Spike Dudley really beat Sally Graziano? Was it planned? Scripted?
    Fake? Real? Who cares. There is no other entertainment form that blurs
    fantasy and reality like this.


    Those who charge that wrestling is fake miss the point. Its exactly
    that Twilight Zone edge that keeps people entertained. Whether Spike
    would win the match in real life is beside the point. True wrestling
    fans understand that theres a fine line between madness and reality,
    that beauty and reality are in the eye of the beholder, that the whole
    world is completely insane. Sometimes things go according to the
    script and sometimes you improvise. Our greatest philosophers have
    often debated predestination vs. free will. Wrestling is the only art
    form to have sharpened the debate to a physical matchup.


    Besides, as we all know, Reality is for those who cant handle drugs.
    BTW, the Orton article was a fake. WWE is a little bit less of a mess due to it. Dreamer also apoligized for the shitty state of ECW on their website.
    Last edited by Jeremy; 07 Jul 2006 at 06:43 PM.
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  9. Interesting issue, I saw a commercial last night for GAB (it's taking place here)during SD and they mentioned Kurt Angle being there. I know he's suspended and is on ECW but you would think that they would at least edit the commercial or not put him in it if they knew they were going to put him in ECW.

  10. I wouldn't be surprised if he ends up back on SD once he returns. In other news, MTV's Wrestling Society X project looks to be good to go. Their enforcing contracts on the guys, which is a good sign.
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