Resistance: Fall of Man

[kingoffighters]

Sorry man, that argument doesn't wash. You could buy a MacBook and a PS3 for what it would cost to build a less powerful PC. What's more, 99% of those other things you mention computers do can be handled by a PC that costs $200. Buying that + a 360 or a PS3 = way more bang for your buck than a decent gaming PC. And I don't know what games you're playing on your $150 videocard, but it can't be anything recent with any kind of decent performance.

Wrong. Here is my $150 videocard bought in March, playing Oblivion.



I did not mod Olivion to make it look better, it is basically out of the box install. The detail is not set to highest/furthest distance, but it is damn smooth with lots of detail. I would say it is 90% close to 360, but probably smoother than 360. Btw, the videocard is Radeon X850XT 256mb, did not overclock or anything. If I did not spend $650 on the case, this computer would cost me alittle over $1000. And that's because I put in 2 harddrives, 2 gig of ram. You can definitely put together a gaming/general computer rig for under 1k. But it seems like you are too closeminded to consider this a reality. So nothing we write will convince you otherwise.

[Frogacuda]

Then stop arguing now. There's no way in hell over the next 5 years the PC's library can compare. The best you can say is it adresses certain niches consoles don't touch. But overall quality? No way. That's not even an argument anymore. The best PC devs have moved over to consoles, the budgets and money are there.

Actually, I would say multiplatform is the big thing. PC doesn't have a lot of hot exclusives any more, but it very often does still have the best versions of games.

[StriderKyo]

Nope. The RSX is actually slightly weaker than a GeForce 7800. $200-$250 max

Considering everyone and their dog is saying it's a souped up custom 7800, no. And where are you buying one for $250?

No, you really don't. PS3 doesn't have one, and they suck, and actually make games slower right now. $0

Yes, you do need one because otherwise you can't simulate the things cell can do.

A Core 2 duo will rock cell for any practical purpose and you know it.

No it won't. Specs don't scale directly for one thing - look no further than the performance the 733 mhz Xbox cpu spat out. And again, 8 SPEs.

I'm up to like $800, tops. Toss in a DVD burner, keyboard, mouse, and a nice Joystick and we're still under $900

Even if I thought that would equal a PS3's performance, and I don't, you skipped the hard drive, & network card. And you have no RAM. Your rig won't play Tetris. And still, no blu ray. And you've already spent $300 more. A PS3 and a pentium III for non-gaming apps can still be had for less.

[Frogacuda]

Sorry man, that argument doesn't wash. You could buy a MacBook and a PS3 for what it would cost to build a less powerful PC. What's more, 99% of those other things you mention computers do can be handled by a PC that costs $200. Buying that + a 360 or a PS3 = way more bang for your buck than a decent gaming PC. And I don't know what games you're playing on your $150 videocard, but it can't be anything recent with any kind of decent performance.

You really know nothing about shopping for PC hardware.

Considering everyone and their dog is saying it's a souped up custom 7800, no. And where are you buying one for $250?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814130035

Come on, grandpa. This isn't hard.

Yes, you do need one because otherwise you can't simulate the things cell can do.

Like what? Unreal Tournament 2007 at 20fps? The PPU cards actually HURT performance besides. You're literally better off without one.

[StriderKyo]

Trust me, Im well aware that the PC's library over the next 5 years sucks. But as of right now, if you want to play technically fancy-ass FPS games with 32+ players online you dont need to buy a PS3. Which was my point. Resistance isnt doing anything special. Wait for a price drop, I say.

I won't argue with that - I think Resistance looks really solid, but I'm not saying I think it'll outdo Halo 3, nor is it the reason I'm back on the PS3 bandwagon. But it looks nicer than Battlefield does, and it has more creative weapons and a more promising single player campaign. I think that's a decent tradeoff for the extra players online.

Wrong. Here is my $150 videocard bought in March, playing Oblivion.

I did not mod Olivion to make it look better, it is basically out of the box install. The detail is not set to highest/furthest distance, but it is damn smooth with lots of detail. I would say it is 90% close to 360, but probably smoother than 360. Btw, the videocard is Radeon X850XT 256mb, did not overclock or anything. If I did not spend $650 on the case, this computer would cost me alittle over $1000. And that's because I put in 2 harddrives, 2 gig of ram. You can definitely put together a gaming/general computer rig for under 1k. But it seems like you are too closeminded to consider this a reality. So nothing we write will convince you otherwise.

Well dang, nice going. But a $650 case, what is it, gold? As far as under $1k, that was never the argument. I'm sure you could put together an ass-kicking rig for $5-600. What I was talking about was putting together a PC that could equal the output of a $599 PS3, and I don't believe you could do that without paying through the nose.

[Frogacuda]

Even if I thought that would equal a PS3's performance, and I don't, you skipped the hard drive, & network card. And you have no RAM.

I didn't forget the network or HD. But I did forget the RAM. So yeah, add another $150 for a couple gigs.

And still, no blu ray.

Fuck Blu Ray. I can install shit on the the HD.

You can build a PC that will rock the multiplatform games on PS3 better than the PS3 for about a grand. Yes, that's more than the PS3. That was never my point. My point was that $2000 was a bald-faced lie.

But here's the more important thing to remember: launch day is one thing. But within 12 months from the time PS3 hits the shelves you will be able to build a system that will completely rock the shit out of PS3 for under a grand.

[StriderKyo]

You really know nothing about shopping for PC hardware.


http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814130035

Come on, grandpa. This isn't hard.

Come on, man! You're linking me to recertified hardware? That's cheating! If you can do that then I'm buying a used PS3 next year from my drunk neighbour for $150.

Like what? Unreal Tournament 2007 at 20fps? The PPU cards actually HURT performance besides. You're literally better off without one.

That comes back to the performance question though, right? I mean, if you get a comparitively faster CPU, whack o' RAM and a phat bus, you can get decent results.

[kingoffighters]

Well dang, nice going. But a $650 case, what is it, gold? As far as under $1k, that was never the argument. I'm sure you could put together an ass-kicking rig for $5-600. What I was talking about was putting together a PC that could equal the output of a $599 PS3, and I don't believe you could do that without paying through the nose.

The case has a touch screen LCD, so I don't have to turn on my TV to change music, etc:



Yah, it is expensive but I always use a case for many years so it is not something I will upgrade in the next 3-5 years.

I think my current setup can run a game like Resistance with 90-95% fidelity of a PS3 title. Hey, it even outputs at a higher res than a PS3.

But no matter what, I would pay alot for a computer because it is an invaluable tool. PS3 is just a toy, and maybe a serviceable bluray player (but if past is any indication, PS2 is not a very good dvd player so I wouldn't hedge my bets there).

[Frogacuda]

Come on, man! You're linking me to recertified hardware? That's cheating! If you can do that then I'm buying a used PS3 next year from my drunk neighbour for $150.

My bad, I didn't catch that.
Here's a new open box one for the same price. And they have boxed retail ones there for like $260.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...2E16814139175R

[Advocate]

The case has a touch screen LCD, so I don't have to turn on my TV to change music, etc:

Thats hawt.

And to add to the discussion. One game does not a system make. Sure the PS3 will sell out and be a big success at Launch, no denying that fact. But six months from that point, will it still be a big success? This is where opinions come in and seeing the games right now. And only a few stand out. I'm not sure.