Fair Tax

[Othello Harrington]

Professor Melf, SPEED And TRAINING does not put men on the ground. You need a man on the ground to win a war, Clinton sent all of them home. Your concession would be appreciated.

[SpoDaddy]

Melf: boilerplate political statements and Daily Show gimmicks don't erase history. Again, nobody is arguing that Republicans have done a stellar job.

[Othello Harrington]

Before any of your guys say NAFTA was TEH EVIL CONSERVATIVES PUSH

http://senate.ontheissues.org/Celeb/...Free_Trade.htm

Owned.

[Melf]

Professor Melf, SPEED And TRAINING does not put men on the ground. You need a man on the ground to win a war, Clinton sent all of them home. Your concession would be appreciated.

Did you even read what I posted? Those are the VP's words fella, not mine. He's talking about everything he inherited. That includes, man power, technology...everything. Read his speech, for crying out loud.

Taking the time to read my post before responding would be appreciated.

Melf: boilerplate political statements and Daily Show gimmicks don't erase history. Again, nobody is arguing that Republicans have done a stellar job.

Again, read the link. That's not Jon Stewart talking, that's Dick Cheney.

[Diff-chan]

And we continue to lose blue collars every day, hell my fiance works at National Instruments and they have decided because of NAFTA that Colombia is a better place to build IC's. End result 2,500 tax payers out of work.

I am the first one in my family to graduate college. I know what the blue collar/workign poor experience is like. Guess what, you're right. NAFTA sucked ass but its what (generally) right wing free trade wonks wanted. Bush expanded it with CAFTA and he has done nothing to stop outsourcing. He hasn't closed loopholes that let companies like Ingersoll-Rand put dummy headquartersi n Bermuda to dodge taxes. It's bullshit.

The economy was fucking great under Clinton. A lot of rich people were made in places like SoHo and Silicon Valley. He generally ignored the widening gap between rich and poor and thats a legit criticism of his policies IMO (but lower middle class were doing better in the 1990s than now). But at the same time, Bush has done a lot to make it worse. A LOT.

[Othello Harrington]

To Melf.

I don't care about your post, I care about your point, fella.

You are attacking Bush when he played his hand, I didn't want this war, but I want to win.

Go study military logistics as well fella.

[Melf]

I don't care about your post, I care about your point, fella.

Lol, then unless you're a Jedi, I'd say you need to do one to see the other.

"Played his hand?" That screams damage control, "fella."

[Othello Harrington]

Clinton is only a liberal in this country by the way, the rest of the world considers him a mid-conservative.

I read your post Melf, unless my education is failing me, you are saying the US failed in Iraq. I feel safer now, do you?

Draw them to fight there, and we are safe. We would have smashed them if Billary would not have tried to appease the world (yuck, France) by decreasing our standing military,

[g0zen]

Try to tell the 50,000 dollar family with 2 kids going to college that they need to pay more to help out the country, they don't give a fuck. That's the inherent flaw in the taxation system, it going to hurt Billy the mechanic more than it's going to hurt me. Maybe I sounded as if I was defending myself (I did) but I really think this nation will implode if we raise taxes 6,10,15 percent, hell they can't sell houses now.

This is faulty logic. The lower to middle income families aren't being crippled by income tax as much payroll, state, and local taxes. You want to know what they will give a fuck about? When someone finally shows them that Bush and Co. have been diehard about reducing Social Security benefits which is essentially a payroll tax hike.

Diff, Ronnie invented the cold war to spike our industry, and Bush kept the factory's open. Bill came up with Nafta and we lost more of our US workforce in his 8 years than EVER before.

That's ridiculous logic. Ronald Reagan didn't 'invent' the Cold War. About the most he invented was Star Wars which was a boon to the defense industry, not to the workers who had their unions hamstrung and their safety standards and the office designed to insure them (OSHA) downsized to the point they became completely ineffective.

[Othello Harrington]

We are winning by the way. Don't believe the liberal hype.

First blood, I see you lurking, don't bother.

Gozen, Reagan had other ways to combat Russia, he wanted to puff the US's chest out and outbuild Russia, we needed a boost.

Taxes in General, who gives a shit what you label a tax.

Taxes kill the middle class, you can't fight this with your fancy verbage.

Gozen

here's how it works

Billy's dad works at GM. He makes 60,000 a year, Billy gets no free education and dad or Billy has to take out about 55,000 dollars in loans to pay for school, why? Because Billy's dad can't pay out of pocket because 20,000 of his sixty large goes to the state, town, and country to control those god damn potholes.

John's dad works at Target, he makes 25,000 a year, John get's grants, John gets money, john get's government support John doesn't pay nearly as much as billy, who is going to be nearly 65K in debt by the time he's 24 compared to John's 25K.

Tell me this is fair and I'll buy you a sucker.