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[Othello Harrington]

That's one hell of a minority Gozen, wow.

i overheard on talk radio today (no, not fox) a coverted follower of Islam state in no simple way that the Koran tells Muslims to kill infidels 180 times.

Also the problem is the under educated majority are easy to lead.

Thanks for the debate Gozen, Melf, and Diff, the woman is calling me to bed, long day tomorrow. We can continue this at work.

Be safe

Omni and Firstblood, spend more time coming up with your own ideas, me to arguments just piss people off.

[SpoDaddy]

Gozen: Wilson absolutely left a gaping power vaccum in Germany; the Weimar Republic proved to be impotent and Wilson did nothing substantive to stop France and Britain from raping Germany financially after the war. He left the League of Nations to it's own devices and public discontentment with Wilson's failed economic programs in Germany gave Hitler all the ammunition he needed to take power. I'm not arguing that Wilson built the Nazis, other than according to the distorted logic that Reagan built Al Qaeda. To suggest either is silly, especially considering they bookend FDR (the most heinous president of the 20th century).

Also, you're completely wrong about the rise of Jihadism. Read a history book and pay special attention to the parts about the Crusades and then the parts about Thomas Jefferson.

[Othello Harrington]

FDR for the win! He sucked ass. Followed very closely by Clinton and Bush Sr.

And you can add Lincoln to the list of presidents to benefit off wars. He was an asshole.

[g0zen]

That's one hell of a minority Gozen, wow.

In of a religion with over 1.4 billion adherents, not really.

i overheard on talk radio today (no, not fox) a coverted follower of Islam state in no simple way that the Koran tells Muslims to kill infidels 180 times.

I've read the Quran and I don't remember it saying that, even in the sword verses, to kill an infidel '180 times'. Also, the Quran has many conflicting themes in it (like all Abrahamic religious texts), and in parts it stresses tolerance for instance:

"Exempt those who join a people with whom you have concluded a peace treaty, and those who come to you with hearts unwilling to fight you, nor to fight their relatives. Had God willed, he could have placed them in power over you and they would have made war on you. Therefore, if they leave you alone, refrain from fighting you, and offer you peace, then God gives you no way to go against them." (4:90)

Also the problem is the under educated majority are easy to lead.

No moreso than in America.

[Melf]

Spo, so he was referring to the entire organization, and not the man who is the face of modern terrorism? I doubt that, considering the photo op that Saddam's capture was turned into.

He left the League of Nations to it's own devices

IIRC, he did so because Congress voted to stay out of the league, which effectively neutered it.

[Othello Harrington]

Gozen comparing America to the Middle East in terms of education is pretty strawman, I am surprised you would post that garbage.


Bottom Line: The Koran and the Bible were written by man, and man has inherant flaws.

"Exempt those who join a people with whom you have concluded a peace treaty, and those who come to you with hearts unwilling to fight you, nor to fight their relatives. Had God willed, he could have placed them in power over you and they would have made war on you. Therefore, if they leave you alone, refrain from fighting you, and offer you peace, then God gives you no way to go against them." (4:90)


So it's basically saying "As long as whitey offers peace, do it. Because I, the big Mo, could have let them win, it's okay to spare their lives?"

[g0zen]

I'm not arguing that Wilson built the Nazis, other than according to the distorted logic that Reagan built Al Qaeda.

Except that Reagan clearly did, and the facts bear that out.

Also, you're completely wrong about the rise of Jihadism. Read a history book and pay special attention to the parts about the Crusades and then the parts about Thomas Jefferson.

Actually, I'm right. You see, I've studied the history and more importantly the history of Islamic extremism. I have the facts, you clearly don't.

[Othello Harrington]

Gozen, hate to say this, you're wrong. Muslims have had more religious wars than Christianity and that's hard to do.

[SpoDaddy]

Spo, so he was referring to the entire organization, and not the man who is the face of modern terrorism? I doubt that, considering the photo op that Saddam's capture was turned into.

He was referring to what had to be done to prevent Al Qaeda from launching future attacks on America, pointing out that Al Qaeda was far bigger than one person. Obviously he'd love to catch Bin Laden, he never said he wasn't after Bin Laden, he said neutralizing Al Qaeda was more important than catching Bin Laden.

IIRC, he did so because Congress voted to stay out of the league, which effectively neutered it.

He didn't need Congressional consent to negotiate with France and Britain; he was focused more on preventing future wars than protecting Germany (which is ironic in hindsight). I can't blame Wilson for that, nobody could have foreseen Hitler coming along and Germany did instigate WWI. Congress voted to stay out of the League because moronic isolationism had taken hold after the trench warfare of WWI.

[g0zen]

Gozen comparing America to the Middle East in terms of education is pretty strawman, I am surprised you would post that garbage.

You bringing up education in the debate at all was pretty strawman and outside the point.

Bottom Line: The Koran and the Bible were written by man, and man has inherant flaws.

Again, what does that have to do with what we're talking about?

So it's basically saying "As long as whitey offers peace, do i. Because I, the big Mo, could have let them win, it's okay to spare their lives?"

The point is that the Quran isn't the tome anymore about 'death to the infidel' than the Bible like you and SpoDaddy would have people believe.

Gozen, hate to say this, you're wrong. Muslims have had more religious wars than Christianity and that's hard to do.

Actually, no they haven't. They've had just about as many religious wars between themselves and with others as Christians have. I challenge you to prove otherwise.