So, Earth Defense Force 2017 (360, PSV) looks amazing

**Melf** · 07 Mar 2007, 07:45 PM

Originally Posted by g0zen

And yet you played through 100 Arcade levels in M:UA?

What I mean is, if the game is good enough, isn't playing through a few more times not as bad?

Split-screen with a friend.

All you do is play through the game one time normally. Every section of each area counts as a level. You didn't have to play the entire game over several times from scratch.

**icarusfall** · 09 Mar 2007, 11:50 PM

You people that judge a game based on achievements are disgusting.

**Rumpy** · 10 Mar 2007, 11:32 AM

Does seem extreme to me too.

**Yoshi** · 11 Mar 2007, 09:19 AM

Originally Posted by icarusfall

You people that judge a game based on achievements are disgusting.

It's part of the design now. Making stupid achievement decisions is no different than making a stupid decision on gameplay or graphics.

**Space Pirate Roberts** · 11 Mar 2007, 09:49 AM

That's like saying the deleted scenes and commentaries on the DVD are as important to a movie being good as the acting and cinematogrophy. Achievements are a very nice bonus feature, but I pity the fool who takes them into account when deciding what to buy/play.

**Yoshi** · 11 Mar 2007, 09:52 AM

I never said they were as important. I said that it was a design flaw though, which is not true of deleted scenes.

Also, a lot of people thought the same way as you about online play five years ago...

**Space Pirate Roberts** · 11 Mar 2007, 10:30 AM

Originally Posted by Yoshi

It's part of the design now. Making stupid achievement decisions is no different than making a stupid decision on gameplay or graphics.

This sure reads like you're putting them on the same plane. But I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and accept that this was a case of poorly-crafted semantics.

Originally Posted by Yoshi

Also, a lot of people thought the same way as you about online play five years ago...

You'd be surprised how many still do, or don't even know about it at all. Joe Casual can be a pretty astonishing animal.

**Yoshi** · 11 Mar 2007, 02:03 PM

Originally Posted by LordPerrin

This sure reads like you're putting them on the same plane. But I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and accept that this was a case of poorly-crafted semantics.

I'll grant you that. I meant that it's no different in that it should be well thought out, not that the severity of the mistake was the same.

You'd be surprised how many still do, or don't even know about it at all. Joe Casual can be a pretty astonishing animal.

I try not to think about it. I sleep better that way.