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  1. Quote Originally Posted by Compass View Post
    ban pls.
    IAWTMFP BHNP.

    (edit: 4 pages too late)
    Quote Originally Posted by BerringerX
    I am pretty sure one of the reasons Jesus died is so we could enjoy delicious chicken and waffle fries seven days a week.
    Eat a bag of dicks.

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    Fergie is terrible for that song. She has no "humps."
    her nose, duh.
    I took all your French Toast.

  3. Quote Originally Posted by buttcheeks View Post
    When a person uses those words against a lower middle class person, it does have weight. It rips away everything they have strived for. It says, "you are worthless, you are crap, and you are a monster. All of these horrible things, you are a part of them. Plantation owners, Nazi's you are just like them. You are less than human."
    Wow, you call me a lefty and then pump out this sentimentalist garbage. Sorry, pal, but there is no historical contextual comparison to invoking the lynchings to invoking the lynchers. One is saying "you are a victim, and you should be again" and "you are an aggressor and you still are", one is an accusation and the other is a THREAT. Calling someone a cracker is not the same as saying they should be HUNG UPSIDE DOWN AND STABBED because they're black and that's what OUGHT to happen to blacks. Trying to compare the two is really starting to make you sound like a rank apologist.

    Quote Originally Posted by buttcheeks View Post
    No, the history of the two kinds of insults are not the same. It is the difference between one being the people being hurt and the people doing the hurting. But the insults are essentially the same in their effort to strip away a person's humanity.
    Are they the same or aren't they IronPlant? You're bouncing back and forth, but I know why. It's because you understand the ridiculousness of your comparison.

    Quote Originally Posted by AstroBlue View Post
    I guess ancient civilizations that had racial slaves got an early draft of The Origin of the Species? Like 5000+ years in advance?
    Find me reference in the historical record of one civilization enslaving another because they were perceived as a different 'race' rather than just a different nation, tribe, culture, etc. Certainly, empires had slaves of different races, but they had more than enough of the same race. There was no predication of slavery along racial lines.
    Last edited by g0zen; 23 Nov 2006 at 06:54 PM.
    Time for a change

  4. Quote Originally Posted by Andrew View Post
    I'd buy that.

    Since your entire arguement is hypothetical I don't think it's really relevent. Michael Richards did say it on stage, Chris Rock and whoever else you mentioned "might have" or "if they". That's not enough to base an arguement on. Also I don't think the insult of blacks to whites are as potent -- seeing as they didn't enslave us for hundreds if not thousands of years prior and all. Did you forget that fact?

    You know, I'm getting tired of people using the excuse that apparently every white persons grandpa owned a cotton plant and 50 slaves. When slavery was at its peak my family was still in Ireland suffering famine, too poor to even have food let alone slaves. The whole argument is bullshit and even if it was the case that everyone had slaves, that wasn't ME, so fuck it.

    The race card is such a bullshit thing to pull, in any circumstance, natives, blacks, whites, whatever. I'm sorry shitty things happened in the past, but it happened to neither them personally nor myself, so get up and move your people forward instead of thinking you're owed something. [I say this to you in particular as you have native in you ]

    If we want to end racism we need to move forward and ignore fools such as Richards. Getting upset about this shit only feeds the fire.

    Quote Originally Posted by g0zen View Post
    Find me reference in the historical record of one civilization enslaving another because they were perceived as a different 'race'
    Correct me if I'm mistaken [which I could well be], but weren't the Jews enslaved in Egypt WAY back in the day?
    Last edited by Spent; 23 Nov 2006 at 07:05 PM.
    Quote Originally Posted by remnant
    I live in the fastlane bitches.
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    Thats how we roll, ride or die bitch.

  5. Quote Originally Posted by Andrew View Post
    I'm Irish.
    More like Canadian.

  6. Quote Originally Posted by Spent View Post
    Correct me if I'm mistaken [which I could well be], but weren't the Jews enslaved in Egypt WAY back in the day?
    Jews aren't a race, they're a tribe.
    Time for a change

  7. Quote Originally Posted by Spent View Post
    You know, I'm getting tired of people using the excuse that apparently every white persons grandpa owned a cotton plant and 50 slaves. When slavery was at its peak my family was still in Ireland suffering famine, too poor to even have food let alone slaves. The whole argument is bullshit and even if it was the case that everyone had slaves, that wasn't ME, so fuck it.

    The race card is such a bullshit thing to pull, in any circumstance, natives, blacks, whites, whatever. I'm sorry shitty things happened in the past, but it happened to neither them personally nor myself, so get up and move your people forward instead of thinking you're owed something. [I say this to you in particular as you have native in you ]
    I WILL SCALP YOU YOU SON OF A BITCH.

    Well I don't personally give a shit about slavery and all that jazz, but in the case of America I think that's the deepseeded reason why it seems like white racism is a little bit more acceptable. "Acceptable being relatively less unacceptable.

    Correct me if I'm mistaken [which I could well be], but weren't the Jews enslaved in Egypt WAY back in the day?
    Let my people go.
    Last edited by Drewbacca; 23 Nov 2006 at 08:10 PM.
    Quote Originally Posted by rezo
    Once, a gang of fat girls threatened to beat me up for not cottoning to their advances. As they explained it to me: "guys can usually beat up girls, but we are all fat, and there are a lot of us."

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    Quote Originally Posted by g0zen View Post
    Wow, you call me a lefty and then pump out this sentimentalist garbage. Sorry, pal, but there is no historical contextual comparison to invoking the lynchings to invoking the lynchers. One is saying "you are a victim, and you should be again" and "you are an aggressor and you still are", one is an accusation and the other is a THREAT. Calling someone a cracker is not the same as saying they should be HUNG UPSIDE DOWN AND STABBED because they're black and that's what OUGHT to happen to blacks. Trying to compare the two is really starting to make you sound like a rank apologist.
    did you really hear threats when you watched that video? Do you really fear stupid racist people? Do you honestly believe that the good people of this nation will let that crap happen again?

    I heard a sad frustrated old man that couldn't deal with reality. I didn't believe for a second that the black people in the audience would be put back into slavery. All I saw was a sad crappy person lashing out to hurt someone else in a very horrendous way.

    But I expect you to feel this way. You aren't going to admit that the way you look down your nose at poor white people is wrong.

  9. #179
    Quote Originally Posted by g0zen View Post
    Are they the same or aren't they IronPlant? You're bouncing back and forth, but I know why. It's because you understand the ridiculousness of your comparison.
    lol, what kind of question is that? Things can be different but be used in the same way. If I treat two men like objects, and strip away their humanity, BUT use different historical context to do so, I'm still doing the same thing to both.

    If I tell one man that he is a pile of shit for being an ancestor of a slave and tell another man he is a pile of shit for being the ancestor of a slave owner, at the end of the day I'm still telling two people they are piles of shit.

    both are wrong. And that is part of what is wrong with the whole racism issue in the US. People don't believe it is wrong anymore because of concept of it anymore. It is all about who is the biggest victim or who is going to get revenge.

  10. Who is going to get revenge? What?
    Quote Originally Posted by rezo
    Once, a gang of fat girls threatened to beat me up for not cottoning to their advances. As they explained it to me: "guys can usually beat up girls, but we are all fat, and there are a lot of us."

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