Official MMA Discussion Thread

[Dyne]

Sweet.

[PaCrappa]

I thought you'd appreciate that.

[Kidnemo]

This last page and a half of this thread fucking sucks.

Wrestlers are some of the hardest working athletes on the planet bar none, especially when you consider with the exception of the last few years they were pretty much doing the sport only for the love of it and no real hope of financial payoff (especially compared to basketball, football, etc, etc, etc).

Saying that Lesnar hasn't paid his dues or doesn't deserve to be there compared to some guy who trained for a year and then fought in a couple of amatuer shows is completely idiotic and makes all further observations null and void.

Also, I don't particularly like Lesnar, but compared to Mir I love the guy. Lesnar reminds me of Tito Ortiz with his showboating and such, he is smart enough to know that it will get people talking about him and the more people that talk about him the more people that watch... and the more people that watch the more money he makes.

Also, the guy is obviously blessed genetically, but it's not like he hasn't spent years in a weight room too.

/sigh

Screw neck cranks too btw!

*edit*

Oh yea, lastly - watch for the little kiss on the fist before Hendo drops the hammer...

[The_Meach]

Awesome KO. Just awesome.

[The_Meach]

Re: Whose Can Stop Lesnar

I'm looking around...let's start with the least likely:

Brett Rogers - Big (6'5" 265) and powerful (10-0 all KO/TKO), he'd be taller than Brock w/o giving up too much weight (don't know that his walking around weight is as big as Brock). But he's not the athlete Brock is and as powerful as Brett is, he's got no chance of stopping Lesnar's ground game.

Overeem - The Demo Man is another tall guy (6'5") but is only 230. His losses are to quality guys like Chuck, Shogun, and Big Nog, but I don't see him handling Lesnar's size/wrestling.

Big Nog - Pa's right about Nogueira being hurt during his match w/Mir. So maybe he can beat Randy and get in w/Brock and outbox him. But does anyone see Nog stopping Lesnar's takedowns?

Cain Velasquez - Awesome wrestler who walks around at 250. Fast. Athletic. 10 years the junior of Brock, so you got to figure he can still go in Championship rounds. Awful striking that was totally exposed by Kongo.

Kongo - Huge. Fantastic striker. Awful ground game. Needs to learn to sprawl and NOT GET ON THE GROUND WITH WRESTLERS! If he improves the takedown defense and plays the striking game, he can beat Brock (who did get rocked by Mir's knee).

Shane Carwin - Big. Strong. KO power. Legit athlete (Div I footballer). But he's a civil engineer and MMA is a part-time gig for him; that may have worked 10yrs ago but there are guys now who do this for a living [/Collateral]. If he commits to the sport and works his cardio, I can see him testing Lesnar, who has yet to face a bigger man (other than a tomato can).

Randy - Won Rd 1 in Nov. Seemed to have a good gameplan (outbox, frustrate, and take him deep). Still believes in that gameplan, just failed to account for Brock's reach. May have missed his chance at catching Brock when he was still green.

Fedor - Although I'm of the opinion that his invincibility is waning, his technical skill, quickness, and experience will get the job done. He's dangerous off his back. His submission game is awesome. His endurance is unquestioned. His quickness is still great. His power is deceptive.

Here's hoping for a UFC press conference Aug 2 with a special guest...

[PaCrappa]

Carwin, Kongo or Fedor have displayed enough power that if one of them could catch him with a sweet shot then maybe. Fedor might be wily enough to outgrapple him. The rest, and I sure do hate to include Nogueira but hey, would just get beat up. Fedor seems to have the best chances because he is one of the smartest fighters to ever play the game.

And Overeem is an inflated LHW. The Nogueira he lost to was the littler one.

[Gooch]

No offense Gooch but you'd have to be a goddamn fool to have watched his entire MMA career and then bet money on the guy thinking he's going to beat Brock Lesnar by anything other than disgusting luck. The guy has no amateur sports background whatsoever, no striking to speak of, his jiu jitsu is mediocre at best and the only big win in his entire career is against a one eyed man witha staph infection. Anyone thinking of taking Mir seriously needs to remember that he got pounded out by Pe de Pano. Pe de Pano...

I wouldn't have actually bet money on it but I was rooting for Mir to win and took the contrarian bet. I have no beef with him, find him informative and entertaining and he was cool to me at the WEC event a few months ago. But I am not even remotely surprised at the outcome, if that's any indication.

I don't know who's next for Brock. I don't want to see the winner of Couture/Nogeira fight him, so may be Carwin after he KOs Velasquez.

I watched Akiyama/Belcher again directly after the show ended. I was initially shocked and felt Belcher got robbed. After rewatching I see Akiyama winning all three rounds.

If the fight was judged as one aggregate bout instead of three individual rounds, I'd probably have given the fight to Belcher. But otherwise I had it 29-28 Akiyama, who really impressed me especially when it became obvious that he's too small for middleweight and I think he should consider dropping down to welterweight and perhaps give GSP one of the few remaining meaninful fights he can have at that weight class, notwithstanding an impossible cross promotion bout against Jake Shields.

[PaCrappa]

Ah, I misunderstood you. Sorry about that.

*edit* When I said what I did about Kongo up there, I meant that maybe he has enough reach to put heavy one on Brock's chin before he gets taken down and murdered on the floor. But that's just the old puncher's chance thing.

[Gooch]

That doesn't mean I'm not actually a goddamn fool, but yeah, Brock was the logical pick and I don't see a heavyweight out there that can give him much trouble, though I am a bit curious to see how Carwin would fare.

[PaCrappa]

Of the people who could possibly fight him in the UFC he seems like he might be the only guy that has the sheer toughness to not get straight up destroyed in under two rounds. But it doesn't seem like he could actually win it.

It could be worse for Lesnar than Silva or GSP really.