Ladies and gents, get your torches and pitchforks ready.

**Dolemite** · 07 Feb 2007, 12:28 PM

I hope Sandman wears a rubber suit with nipples and drives around in a car covered with neon lights.

**Space Pirate Roberts** · 07 Feb 2007, 04:51 PM

Originally Posted by YellerDog

I think Neil would have a lot more creative control over it than for that to happen.

DC owns it 100% IIRC.

Non-Batman, Shumacher isn't that bad. Falling Down is fantastic.

Yeah, now that I think about it, he did do Phone Booth, didn't he?

**YellerDog** · 07 Feb 2007, 05:58 PM

Phone Booth, yep.

**Port** · 07 Feb 2007, 07:28 PM

Phone Booth was kinda ruined by Colin Ferrell being in the movie. But nothing gives a pass for Batman & Robin. He can't be trusted with any existing IP from hereon out.

**YellerDog** · 08 Feb 2007, 02:25 AM

Honestly, I'd say the Shumacher "Batman" flicks are more the fault of a studio-overreaction to "Batman Returns" washing out financially than anything else. He was probably getting constant notes from WB, "Make it more GAY. NOT GAY. ENOUGH," so what the hell, paycheck, right? Probably had a hell of a lot of fun making 'em, too. "Sure, bat-ice-skates, fuck it!"

What amazes me about B&R is it's shot almost entirely at dutch angles. Weird.

**sethsez** · 08 Feb 2007, 04:28 AM

Originally Posted by YellerDog

Honestly, I'd say the Shumacher "Batman" flicks are more the fault of a studio-overreaction to "Batman Returns" washing out financially than anything else. He was probably getting constant notes from WB, "Make it more GAY. NOT GAY. ENOUGH," so what the hell, paycheck, right? Probably had a hell of a lot of fun making 'em, too. "Sure, bat-ice-skates, fuck it!"

Schumacher's quite the fruit himself, and he also decided to helm the movie adaptation of the Phantom of the Opera musical. The gay stuff was probably him as much as anyone.

That said, I do think the route taken by Forever was at least partially a reaction to Returns, and an attempt to make the Batman movies more closely resemble the early comics and movie in terms of kitsch value (for some reason people forget that Batman was around before Frank Miller, and he was campy as fuck). It failed, but there was more to the concept than "wheeee batnipples!"

As for Falling Down, it is one of the most awesome movies ever. It's almost on the level of Commando, though in a different way. Every scene with Michael Douglas contains at least one perfect, infinitely quotable line, and usually more like seven or eight. Watching D-Fens get progressively more powerful weaponry until he eventually gets a goddamned rocket launcher and blows up a street (because the construction is pissing him off) brings a tear to my eye. Anyone who doubts Schumacher's ability to be ridiculously entertaining absolutely needs to see this.

**VIDEODROME** · 08 Feb 2007, 05:09 AM

I think this kind of story is to surreal for a director like Schumacher. I think he can do decent action or drama, but this would probably require a lot of special FX, costumes, and makeup work. It just seems to different from the movies he has done up to this point even including the characters in Batman.