Warcraft III: 4.5 million pre-orders....

[The Ampersand]

Blizzard can suck it. Almost no innovation over there. What was their last game that wasn't a sequal? Starcraft? And that was just Warcraft-in-space. Yeesh.

They're Square of the PC developers. But even Square makes the occasional good game.

[Captain Vegetable]

Originally posted by The Ampersand
Blizzard can suck it. Almost no innovation over there. What was their last game that wasn't a sequal? Starcraft? And that was just Warcraft-in-space. Yeesh.

They're Square of the PC developers. But even Square makes the occasional good game.

That's the difference between Square and Blizzard. Square makes the occational good game, Blizzard always does. And who the Hell cares about innovation? Fun, a nicely woven story, character design, game play sure. But innovation? Tony Hawk 4 isn't any less fun than THPS one just because it runs on the same engine (essentially). Sometimes innovation can be a hinderance. Look at FFVII. I'm a fan of the game, but Square almost messed up by doing to many new things all at once.

Let me guess, you just don't like PC games, and especially RTS?

[MechDeus]

Originally posted by The Ampersand
Blizzard can suck it. Almost no innovation over there. What was their last game that wasn't a sequal? Starcraft? And that was just Warcraft-in-space. Yeesh.

They're Square of the PC developers. But even Square makes the occasional good game.

There's a few things you're missing:

There isn't a single Square game in existance that gets played for as many years by such huge communities as Blizzard games. Warcraft II still gets played by large clans, and that came out in 1996. And I know you know about Diablo obsession.

Blizzard games all have two things Square games rarely have/never have/don't have together: multiplayer and perfect balance. All of Blizzard's games work perfectly in multiplayer, and their RTS' are never unbalanced in any way. On top of that, one can have groups of people playing together for a common goal against other players, and that's always fun.

Blizzard adds new things to their respective genres, so they do innovate. No, they don't create wholly new games, but that alone is not innovation (for instance, if I repackage FFVII and call it Pillow's Quest and change nothing but the look and name of the characters, is that innovation?), however, what they add is. Introduing runes in Diablo 2 had effects on game developers that can still be felt in games yet to be released. The Heroes in WC3 are like nothing else in any RTS, and literally change the entire way parties must be setup and how battle flows. They've combined genres, adding in shops and hired help, adding in Creeps. Those concepts alone are not new, but the way in which they are used and presented are.

And I don't even have to mention how much Worlds of Warcraft is going to make FFXI look like a middle schooler's programming project.

Innovation is awesome and nessecary to improve in the long run. Perfection can be enjoyed until innovation reaches the next level.

[TheSCHLONG!]

i respect Blizzard for one reason. they always release FINISHED games. sure they have a few....and i mean VERY few patches for their games but the bugs they fix are nitpickey at best. of course if i had 8 years to make a game it's be that good too you cant say that about most game developers these days.

[LittleEric]

Blizzard ownz all your base* l33t speak at that.

mech does have a real point here- one thing Blizzard is excellent at is balance., i mean look at starcraft, you have a game with 3 completely different races which each employ 3 completely different sets of troops and each race requires a totally different tactic then the next, and yet somehow they're balanced.

that's beyond commendable.

[Andy787]

Originally posted by Zorro


Just about what the fuck are you trying to say here?

I was just trying to be so rediculous that someone would want to know what the fuck I'm talking about

[SearchManX]

Originally posted by The Ampersand
Blizzard can suck it. Almost no innovation over there. What was their last game that wasn't a sequal? Starcraft? And that was just Warcraft-in-space. Yeesh.

They're Square of the PC developers. But even Square makes the occasional good game.

Wow... statements like these are the perfect example of the effects of mainstream gaming and people who are WAY too biased. You obviously have not played more than 2 minutes of Starcraft to be able to make a ridiculous statment like that. Go play some games and then talk.

[FirstBlood]

Blizzard isn't really the company of innovation... they are the company of perfection...

there's isn't a single company with a Real-Time-Strategy game that is better than Starcraft... and there isn't a single Action/RPG-dungeon-crawler that can top Diablo 2...

... sure, they don't like to mix things up... but if they keep making perfect games, i really don't care...

[SearchManX]

I don't play much other PC titles, so I'm not sure if anyone's done it before...

but the way the Zerg, Terran, and Protoss races each of unique strengths and weaknesses that affect the gameplay is a testament of how great this game was. Not only that, Blizzard has a great sense of humor as well.

I'm not looking forward to an MMORPG (basically because I don't like 'em) game from Blizzard but I really hope Starcraft gets a worthy sequel.

[Despair]

I would love to see Diablo 3 as well I love Diablo 1&2, and another game in the series would be great.