Mea Culpa

**Frogacuda** · 29 May 2007, 04:35 AM

Originally Posted by g0zen

You've been throwing around the word intelligence, and despite your constant backpedals we all know how you're framing it as being the work of some paranatural force. Whether sentient or not, it's still supernatural and it's still bullshit.

No, I'm not. I defined clearly EXACTLY what I meant when I used the word. It's not backpeddaling if I'm fucking beating you over the head with the same exact shit over and over.

That's not the way you were using the term though, you were using it in the sense of a designed system that operates according to the rules set by its designer (in this case your disembodied 'intelligence').

No, I'm not, stupid. I'm telling you you aren't a magic device that can "choose." I chose the word machine not to emphasize a machine-maker, but to emphasize the lack of choice. Which is abundantly clear in the context I presented it.

Sure you can fudge all to fuck and jam God into it, but you'd be the one making the extremely flimsy argument.

I wouldn't, because I never made that assertion. But I'm not sure that it's even an argument either way. It's all conjecture.

Especially when a better explanation (a naturalistic one) already exists.

No explaination exists for why the most fundamental laws of physics are what they are, nor could any. You've implied some bizarre theory that that they are in some sense variable (and may be otherwise in some other plane of existence), which I find no more satisfactory or grounded in reality than any explaination involving God. At a certain point you just have to give up and say "Who the fuck knows?"

If you're not going to be clear in what you're saying (with your continued misuse of words and concepts) then don't be mad when I'm not following down the path you keep changing.

I never changed shit. I fucking define the words I'm using, and lay out extremely simple arguments, but you're on your little fucking anti-design crusade and telling me what I meant instead of hearing what I said. I use intelligent, and you say that implies design, I used ordered and you say that implies higher order, I used mechanical and you say that implies machine maker. You're fucking loading what you want to hear into what I say no matter what word I use. Knock it the fuck off.

**Josh** · 29 May 2007, 08:49 AM

Doesn't anyone want to get dangerous?

**Port** · 29 May 2007, 08:52 AM

I've found that you have less chance of winning an argument with g0zen than you do with Yoshi, and that says a lot.

I DO

**Master of 7s** · 29 May 2007, 11:13 AM

Frog, Frog, FROG!

You should know by now from watching my constant clashes with g0zen that he only hears what he wants to and only argues for the sake of argument. He's a crack addict in essence and mental masturbation is the crack.

You'll never get him to admit that you have a point because that would kill the high.

Don't be an enabler, just say no.

**Advocate** · 29 May 2007, 11:24 AM

Yeah at this point just back out of the thread. If you continue this you're only fueling his fire.

**cigsthecat** · 29 May 2007, 12:12 PM

Originally Posted by Master of 7s

Frog, Frog, FROG!

You should know by now from watching my constant clashes with g0zen that he only hears what he wants to and only argues for the sake of argument. He's a crack addict in essence and mental masturbation is the crack.

You'll never get him to admit that you have a point because that would kill the high.

Don't be an enabler, just say no.

So what's this empirical evidence? I'm genuinely curious.