D2 - Kenji Eno gives you pain.

[gamevet]

Originally posted by Rick


The main draw?! It's when I hear crap like this I wonder if people even play games before they judge them. Have you? Because if you have, it sounds like beating down prostitutes and old women is the main draw to you. Plenty of people who play GTA3 have more in mind than mindless running around shooting things, although theres always downtime for that. (At least in this game, "kill everything" is an option, not a requirement.) Maybe if you spend time with the game a wee bit more, you'll find an incredibly deep game. Or perhaps you're just too busy fucking prosititues followed by beating them to death.

Do you think GTA3 would have sold as well, if it were'nt for the huge amount of "Word of Mouth". The biggest point that eveyone made when talking about GTA3, was about killing people, and doing a prostitute. Talk about the main purpose of the game, was almost an afterthought. I'm willing to bet, that over half the sales of GTA3, were more for the violence and prostitute scenes, than for the actual story premise of the game. Who's really sick?

[StriderKyo]

Originally posted by Clash_Master


Can you rape someone in self defense? I am just saying that Killing people (In the sense of revenge or just because they look funny, or they talked to your grilfriend) is bad. And so is Rape. Both Bad. But then again so is "Everybody Loves Raymond", can you compare Rape to "Everybody Loves Raymond"?

That was one of the weirdest logic pretzels I've ever seen on this board...

Anyway, just saying "hey, lots of games have killing so rape is okay" doesn't wash. Largely because in games it's usually justified with regard to society in some sort of way. And if it's not, well, that's messed up too. But there is no justified rape.

As for GTA3...I'm no church nanny or anything, but I was kind of turned off by the fact that they put those things in that game too. I don't think killing prostitutes and taking their money is "funny" or "inventive", just pandering to morons.

There are ways to show disturbing and/or offensive material in an artistic manner - see Silent Hill for a perfect example.

Oh, and I wish my Foreman grill had a dinger. Mine just turns everything to leather.

[Rick]

Do you think GTA3 would have sold as well, if it were'nt for the huge amount of "Word of Mouth". The biggest point that eveyone made when talking about GTA3, was about killing people, and doing a prostitute. Talk about the main purpose of the game, was almost an afterthought. I'm willing to bet, that over half the sales of GTA3, were more for the violence and prostitute scenes, than for the actual story premise of the game. Who's really sick?

Am I supposed to say "the american public?" Because that would be telling the truth, I guess.

[Nash]

Originally posted by StriderKyo

Oh, and I wish my Foreman grill had a dinger. Mine just turns everything to leather.

the foreman grill should make a little click when the food is ready. i always wonder how it knows though, cuz it clicks at different times for different food.

[rummy]

Maybe if you spend time with the game a wee bit more, you'll find an incredibly deep game. Or perhaps you're just too busy fucking prosititues followed by beating them to death

Maybe you should go ask the millions of people who bought this game why they did so. I'd guess that "because it has incredibly deep gameplay" will be near the bottom of the list. Now the reason the game continues to sell (as opposed to STATE OF EMERGENCY which opened strong thanks to the controversy yet is now bargain bin trash) is because it's quality. But if GTA were still an excellent game, but a law enforcement sim rather than a crime sim, it would not have sold 1/10 as well as it has.

Yes, you can choose not to break any laws in GTA3. Too bad the whole point of the game is committing violent crime. I can play QUAKE and choose not to kill anyone, too. "Look ma, it ain't violent cuz I'm not killing anyone (nor am I advancing in the game whatsoever!) What amazing non-linear gameplay!" Gimme a break. You have a choice not to kill in every violent game - don't hit the shoot/stab/jump on turtle's head button. Walking around is the only thing you can do in GTA3 without doing something immoral first. Maybe you can role play and pretend all those cabbies are terrorists or some other type of baddie, and you're liberating their vehicles in THE NAME OF GREAT JUSTICE! "Hello ma'am. Where to? I'm Cap'n Cabbie, at your service! Ignore the cops firing at us, ma'am - the pigs aren't like me. They aren't working for THE PEOPLE!"

Funny how a cutscene involving something that could never, ever happen is "immoral" while a game that requires you to murder and steal in order to advance isn't. Last I checked murder was widely considered the most heinous of crimes. Shame everyone's so numb towards simulation of it.

[rummy]

I will take an episode of South Park over the latest Mary Kate and Ashley movie anyday.

I saw IT TAKES TWO starring Kirstie Alley, Steve Guttenberg, and Mary Kate & Ashley Olsen. In the theater. On opening weekend. I'm sure their direct to video stuff is bad, but nothing tops the pain Guttenberg brings. Nothing.

[MechDeus]

Originally posted by rummy
Last I checked murder was widely considered the most heinous of crimes. Shame everyone's so numb towards simulation of it.

For the record, I consider the worst possible to do to someone else is cripple them completely from the neck down, or end up like a vegetable, but still awake and alive (there was a movie on that about a war victim, but I can't remember the name, Metallica had a song about that as well). I consider that far worse then murder.

[Kinopio]

Originally posted by rummy
So much love. So much hate. I will address this all in one long jumbled mess of a reply!

First off thank you, people with taste, for the compliments! I don't know if I'm long for this forum, though. I'm really taking a beating from certain people, and I'm not sure how long I can withstand the pain.

rummy, you tell it how it is, and in a refreshingly humorous way. you should stick around. the "certain" people you speak of are just caught unguard because the "noob" is questioning how they think.

[gamevet]

Originally posted by MechDeus
For the record, I consider the worst possible to do to someone else is cripple them completely from the neck down, or end up like a vegetable, but still awake and alive (there was a movie on that about a war victim, but I can't remember the name, Metallica had a song about that as well). I consider that far worse then murder.

The video is based on a book called, Johnny got his gun. I'm not sure if there is a movie, I think the one you see in the music video is made up. I tried to find a copy of the movie at Blockbuster. Anyone know if this movie exists?

[Low]

Originally posted by Johnny Undaunted
[singing]
Running free...running free...running faggot.
Running faggot running free; see the faggot, see the running faggot, running faggot running free.

One of my favorite Kids in the Hall skits

"See the faggot running from the rednecks, run you faggot run freeeeeeeeeee!"

*-neo