The Amazing Spider-Man

[MechDeus]

I remember almost all of the plots being terrible and/or cliche throwaway, but they were usually packed with a lot of enjoyable character writing that carried it. I think you're right about the space bordello one.

And no, let's not talk about Dollhouse.

[MechDeus]

(This is the best thread about Spider-Man.)

[YellerDog]

The movie's pretty much a fixed point in space and time at this stage, I think it's safe to talk about tangentially related topics.

It's a crossover!

[Dolemite]

The pre-Avengers movies just made more media buzz for the avengers. Which is all the studio could have hoped for. I think that's what Dole was referring to with patience. They didn't establish some deep character shit, they just established characters that hopefully the audience would want to go and see fight together.

Yes.

Who cares about good movies or legitimate character depth

Well, those would be nice, too. But whatever, the movies are fun nonetheless, IMO.

He is to blame for Alien Resurrection and has not dug himself out yet.

Didn't he just write the script? Directors have all the power.

[Dolemite]

I think Dole is more lambasting the inclusion of wonder woman and like, doomsday as the villain.

I personally DO think that the solo movies really helped Avengers become the success that is was. Would it have made major bank nonetheless? Sure. But I think the solo lead-ins just got the hype train rolling that much more, and I enjoyed most of them. Fuck, growing up with all the really shitty comic adaptations, I'm still blown away that they're (for the most part) taken so seriously now in terms of budget/acting/overall quality, debates on their depth/etc aside.

DC should have REALLY courted Bale for this, it was their only hope for the sort of media attention they were looking for.

I agree, but using Nolan''s "realistic" take on Bats might not have meshed with the over-the-top style of Man of Steel. I can't really see Bat-Bale pulling something out of his ass to counter Supes after watching the guy pull a mini-9/11 on Metropolis in the first movie.

[Dolemite]

While this is true, it was not my point and had nothing to do with what I was saying.

Sure it does.

The point was that the Avengers was just fine as a standalone movie and the other movies didn't really add anything.

In your opinion, of course. Other people disagree; this is the internet, after all. Opinions, assholes, etc.

[Dolemite]

(This is the best thread about Spider-Man.)

omg its mesmerizing

[MechDeus]

Didn't he just write the script?

He did, and it did get rewritten to some extent. Since it got changed Whedon claims the script was ruined, but his version had some additional wacky shit like Wal-Mart buying out Wutani so I don't entirely believe him. Jeunet is also consistently a pretty excellent director, and the look, feel, and pacing of the movie are quite good. That's one where I'm putting the failing on the script.

[YellerDog]

edit: ^^^^ That ^^^

Didn't he just write the script? Directors have all the power.

That's a nice idea, but in the studio system the writer has a lot of control over the blueprint.

[Anthony]

I personally DO think that the solo movies really helped Avengers become the success that is was. Would it have made major bank nonetheless? Sure. But I think the solo lead-ins just got the hype train rolling that much more, and I enjoyed most of them. Fuck, growing up with all the really shitty comic adaptations, I'm still blown away that they're (for the most part) taken so seriously now in terms of budget/acting/overall quality, debates on their depth/etc aside.

I agree, but using Nolan''s "realistic" take on Bats might not have meshed with the over-the-top style of Man of Steel. I can't really see Bat-Bale pulling something out of his ass to counter Supes after watching the guy pull a mini-9/11 on Metropolis in the first movie.

You would want to tone superman into Nolan's world as much as possible, not the other way around. I mean now it is just another comic book movie (which probably still means bank though, to be fair).