World of Warcraft: Wrath of the Lich King

[arjue]

Reading this again, not gonna defend rets, it's well known they are very overpower currently, but that won't last long as I pointed out soon another patch built will roll out and they won't have that burst damage anymore.

However as melee you will always have a hard time against ret pallies, If he is expecting a stun coming up it's a matter of switching to 1h+shield will make all of your melee damage counts for almost nothing, if one of you were a spellcaster (or heck a mana burner class like a lock/priest/hunter) the out come would have been different. My guess he was probably well decked with enough res that makes your class (rogue) a crit based class count for almost nothing, all you probably could have done was actually stun him when he was about to heal and eat him up with rupture/rend (Kite him around let him burn mana on blessings and heals as he can't touch you but dots ticking from poisons and rupture/rend as that ignores armor. Were you assass dagger built by any chance?

Don't get me wrong, Pallys have alwas been a hard fight for me one on one, but it was a fight i was acustomed to and could manage, and with our new completely overpowered disarm ability (which also removes shields) it should be even easier, but a ret pally currently has the power to kill me within a single hammer stun.

http://www.wowarmory.com/character-s...arthilas&n=Wtb

Thats my character, Subt daggers, which is just as crit dependent as ass.

[Opaque]

I am tired of rogues crying about how underpowered they are.

You can vanish out of all my dots and I can't move if you hit me which you do from being invisible. You guys are just as bullshit as ret pallys.

[mollipen]

I am tired of rogues

That's about where I stand. Hate fighting them when they're Horde, hate grouping with them when they're Alliance.

[GKM]

but a ret pally currently has the power to kill me within a single hammer stun.

This shouldn't be possible. However I must ask was your trinket on CD? Also belf pallies are harder to kill than alliance pallies, they have a huge plus with wpn speed or something, can't recall what it was, but it was the reason why belf ret pallies had more dps in pve for instance than alliance ret pallies which ofcourse translate to pvp.

Your armory..

Please tell me you ain't using Hemo with daggers? (Or you're switching weapons in between?)

Try Assass with your daggers, the way they buffed and buffed mutilate, assass is and will be better at pve and pvp than subt currently is for pvp. (Minus the "anti CC abbilities that sub offers) how ever most of the CDs like for sprint has been reduced in general.

[arjue]

Hemo is only used to build combo points because its cheap, its not used as a prime source of dps, backstabs and finishers are.

I have 120 energy with my current spec, which allows for massive burst dps at the start of a match (if the person isn't expecting anything I can get off an ambush and 2 backstabs in a row, causing anywhere between 5-10k damage). I have my talents setup up so that i build combo points almost as fast as a combat rogue can, with most openers providing 2 points, gaining combo points from party members crits (which is fucking nuts btw), and any gaps filled by a quick and cheap hemo. All 5 point combo finishers give me 25 energy, which combined with the new energy mechanics allow for a backstab almost immediately after one. if i do a kidney shot or cheap shot, i can get 2 backstabs off before the target is free.

subt is really underrated but if played right can be fucking devistating.

Edit: my actual spec isn't updated on armory, but i've sacrificed shadow dance and waylay in favor of vigor in assassination.

I am tired of rogues crying about how underpowered they are.

You can vanish out of all my dots and I can't move if you hit me which you do from being invisible. You guys are just as bullshit as ret pallys.

I understand you have a lock? you guys seemed to have gotten the short end of the stick in 3.0.2. Still, to suggest you can't do a thing about us is ridiculous.

We only have 1 magic debuff on cool down. You can use paranoia or your voidwalker to quite easily get us out of stealth, then fear lock and dot us up. 1 dot after our CoS passes and we can't stealth until it goes away. If you stand still or don't do anything when we vanish or CoS out of your dots etc then you're asking for it. Kite your tits off.

[GKM]

Fair enough. (Blizz is still working on Sub though, just saw on mmochampion blizz said;

Like what you plan to do with sub?
We recently made some changes to boost it, such as moving Dual-Wield Spec to tier 1 combat.)


Subt was really overpower at start TBC, "Harp rogues" eating through anything regardless of armor. They had to nerf that. Was really amazing to see a rogue going toe to toe with a warr without even using any stuns and just eat through it's armor with poison/rupture.

120 energy good ol Nightslayers day in vanilla wow. Oh I missed those days. Perdition and COT on 120 energy ambush-cold blood-backstab..meet death!

[Mzo]

Don't get me wrong, Pallys have alwas been a hard fight for me one on one, but it was a fight i was acustomed to and could manage, and with our new completely overpowered disarm ability (which also removes shields) it should be even easier, but a ret pally currently has the power to kill me within a single hammer stun.

We also have a talent point that reduces disarmed time by 50%.

I want to put my Torch of the Damned in your rogue's ass.

[epmode]

I was with Arjue up until he mentioned he had a rogue. Now it's obvious that he deserves every single unbalanced bullshit ret pally murder. And then some.

Seriously, fuck that class.

[Curtis]

Agreed. Rogues, like hunters, have it pretty easy and are always the first in line to cry.

You have a good chance at killing most classes before they're able to move should their trinket not be up. And realistically, your scenario against a lock that you posted, the lock should be nearly dead by the time it's chain fearing you and you're still just a trinket pop and a well timed deadly throw (to halt the next fear and slow 'em) from winning. Rogues and hunters have a nigh limitless number of tricks to pull out to help them win against most anything one on one. Hell, by 80 you'll be disarming too. Even taking off shields.

I hate the ret buffs too but it warms my little heart to see rogues have someone to whine about in pvp.

[arjue]

lol, such hatred! I wholeheartedly agree that rogues are a pain and probably the 2nd to 4th most OP class. The problem is that stunlocking is the easiest shit in the world so any retard can spec swords and get some kills. But every class has its shit that can give it an edge over other classes, whether it be through heals, CC, survivability or just straight up dps. If you get the jump on most rogues, they'll often be the ones dying.