Minority Report + impressions

[Korian]

Originally posted by Despair
Well, They never showed Agatha predict a scene at the mall. The only thinh she projected was the scene in the appartment building, before Leo Crow got shot. Plus how would she know about some passer buy girl future, when she told her that her boyfriend knows?

I think that Mall scene was that there to make a tense escape scene, and didnt do anything with the plot.

Well I thought the Agatha was predicting this from her memory so John could get to the man he was supposed to murder and see why he was sent. All the little details moved up to the major event.

Agatha could predict things that were minor since she was a physic but only to help them evade being caught.

As for the Missing eyeballs John said he wanted to save them so I assume he brought them home with him so his wife was able to use them.

They didn't change the eye scanners at Crime heaquarters probally cus they didn't think John would return and I also have the theroy that some friends were helping him out who believed he was inoccent such as the friend who gave him time before he set the alarm off.

[Despair]

As for the Missing eyeballs John said he wanted to save them so I assume he brought them home with him so his wife was able to use them

Use them for what? Is he also a psycic to predict he will get arrested?



Well I thought the Agatha was predicting this from her memory so John could get to the man he was supposed to murder and see why he was sent. All the little details moved up to the major event.

She WASNT leading him, he was pretty much dragging her all the way, and it was LUCK that they got to where they got, since SHE NEVER said about any directions for him to take. Only how to avoid COPS. And it was him who brought them into the mall in the first place to scan her mind. The only explanation how they found Leo Crow building, is FATE brought them there.

They didn't change the eye scanners at Crime heaquarters probally cus they didn't think John would return and I also have the theroy that some friends were helping him out who believed he was inoccent such as the friend who gave him time before he set the alarm off

Even now, once employee is terminated, they erase(or supposed to) his acces to the building(if he uses card), or all passwords.
But I guess future cops are lazy. And plus there was SO CONVINIENT BACK ENTRANCE to facility

[Korian]

Well the pre-cog stuff probally wasn't explained well enough and there were some glaring gaps and flawed logic but I'm sure some of it could be explained.

Hmm I think I should see this again and see if I missed anything maybe getting up for a bathroom break a few times I missed some key points.

As for the eyeballs John probally just wanted them for sentimental value?

[Despair]

Sure, If you enjoyed it first time

Then we can argue and discuss more points


Few more points - If people eyes are scanned everywhere, HOW this John got back into the city without setting off the alarms, like it happened in Subway?

How was he able to control that car, if that was pretty much automated, and could be controlled remotely from the main system, like in case when cops stop his own car at highway in the beginning?
I'm sure they could have easily get the info on the car model and its location, once it get back into the city again?

When the doctor used his card, would the cops track the transaction, or at least freeze the account?

Why Cruise is the ONLY COP in the film who has a GUN??? A REAL gun, not stunner he uses on cops at Lexus factory. They had stunners, sick stix, but not REAL guns - But only John carries one, BECAUSE it the ONLY WEAPONS that CAN be used FOR MURDER

Convinient, isnt it?

[dyomides]

Look, it's not like I sat down and drew a chart to map things out. The movie ended and the alarms went off in my mind. You want to explain something to me then explain this.

It is made blatently obvious (they tell us from the start) that pre meditated crimes are non existent anymore since those are the types of crimes the precogns can give plenty of warning for. Well then how come they weren't able to see the two premedidated murders the whole movie was based on. The first one being Agathas mom, old dude planned it, it was premeditated. The second ones a strecth since he's not the one to pull the trigger but none the less the old dude still planned that John's character would kill the fake kidnapper which in my mind is all premeditated (planned).

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[Nash]

Originally posted by dyomides
Look, it's not like I sat down and drew a chart to map things out. The movie ended and the alarms went off in my mind. You want to explain something to me then explain this.

It is made blatently obvious (they tell us from the start) that pre meditated crimes are non existent anymore since those are the types of crimes the precogns can give plenty of warning for. Well then how come they weren't able to see the two premedidated murders the whole movie was based on. The first one being Agathas mom, old dude planned it, it was premeditated. The second ones a strecth since he's not the one to pull the trigger but none the less the old dude still planned that John's character would kill the fake kidnapper which in my mind is all premeditated (planned).

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they did see the first one. that's why agathas mom was saved. when she was actually killed, they saw that too. the only reason that murder wasn't prevented because the old dude made it look like the last vision, so the guys reviewing the vision just passed it over as an echo (a revision of the first murder attempt).

as for the second murder (john's murder), i'm gonna say it has to be the killer who premeditates the murder. if someone else tricks another person into doing it, it's not considered premeditated.

[Nash]

Originally posted by dyomides


This brings to mind another glaring issue. That whole sequence with her predicting everything from some dudes briefcase, to some chicks cheating on her boyfriend and telling her not to go home. All of this had nothing to do with murder and she was able to predict all of it. I didnt' know she could see everything??? When was this covered in the story? As far as I knew they dreamt of murders that actually took place, not everyones life on earth!!!

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the movie stated that they dream of murders. the key word being dream. even the lady who discovered them only mentioned that they dreamt of future murders; not SEE only future murders. i believe that when they are awake, they can see everything.

[Despair]

the movie stated that they dream of murders. the key word being dream. even the lady who discovered them only mentioned that they dreamt of future murders; not SEE only future murders. i believe that when they are awake, they can see everything

??? What do you mean, they can see everything?

I dont believe a bit that part when Agatha suddenly started predicting events left and right, only when THE PLOT required that, for the tense sequence. And if she could predict those, why couldnt she see that Lamar is a Murderer, or that Cruise will get arrested?

[Nash]

Originally posted by Despair
Ok, Nash

What did you think fo the this film? Did you feel that it was unnecessary long, and could have used some editing?

i thought the movie was excellent. or as i like to put it, mad dope. i didn't feel that it was unneccesarily long. in fact, there were points where the movie could have ended, but i wanted it to go on a bit farther, and it did.

Also unneeded happy end, and not very good(at least not very fitting score), did you feel the same?

yes, the ending was too happy. if it was done my way, i would have ended it like the director's cut of blade runner. however, this is a hollywood movie, so it was to be expected.

Various logic flaws found during the film, especially with eye scanning, and use of red tagged eyes on later times, and car situation, where he is able to drive another car without it being controlled by computer system?

i'm not sure i know what reg tagged eyes you're talking about. the whole thing with the car. i have two explanations. 1) the car has not been registered yet, so the computer doesn't have it in the system. 2) only certain roads can stop cars, especially busy ones like he was on. with that much traffic, there has to be some way to regulate it. so if he steered clear of those roads, then the car cannot be stopped.

And will be back with more

ok

[Nash]

Originally posted by Despair
I dont believe a bit that part when Agatha suddenly started predicting events left and right, only when THE PLOT required that, for the tense sequence. And if she could predict those, why couldnt she see that Lamar is a Murderer, or that Cruise will get arrested?

well, i believe that she when the precogs are awake, they can predict any event that is not too far into the future. i also believe that they are not perfect, so something traumatic like the murder of her mom could cause some distortion in her visions. as for why couldn't she see that cruise would get arrested, she did. that's why she yelled at him to run. it's just that the event was so close to the present that he didn't have time to run.