Minority Report + impressions

[Despair]

Well, The car number should still be in factory catalog, since I was DONE when it left factory floor. Plus the have a model, make, color to be able to track it down, since it seemed that most of the roads in the city were controlled by computer systems, and scanners and cameras were present in many parts. Plus when the car was leaving the factory, Cruise werent driving it for a while, but it was a computer system auto pilot, so I could have been stoped. But the plot didnt required that at that time.

By red taged eyes I ment, John's own eyes that were on the MOST WANTED list, and were/could have been scanned by many scanners everywhere, once he would comeback to the city. And once it would happen, the alarm should have went off, but instead we just see John back in the city, in trashy appartment building with the doctor, without knowing HOW did he managed to get there, or WHEN did he contacted the doctor.

[Nash]

Originally posted by Despair
Well, The car number should still be in factory catalog, since I was DONE when it left factory floor. Plus the have a model, make, color to be able to track it down, since it seemed that most of the roads in the city were controlled by computer systems, and scanners and cameras were present in many parts. Plus when the car was leaving the factory, Cruise werent driving it for a while, but it was a computer system auto pilot, so I could have been stoped. But the plot didnt required that at that time.

yeah, the car was done, and yeah they have a model, make, color, but when i think of "they" i think of the factory, not the entire city system. i think the car must be registered at the dmv or something first, before it can get into the city system. kinda like in real life. as for the car leaving on its own, i'm pretty sure it has an independent auto pilot mode. it was probably turned off by john when he wanted to take control.

By red taged eyes I ment, John's own eyes that were on the MOST WANTED list, and were/could have been scanned by many scanners everywhere, once he would comeback to the city. And once it would happen, the alarm should have went off, but instead we just see John back in the city, in trashy appartment building with the doctor, without knowing HOW did he managed to get there, or WHEN did he contacted the doctor.

yeah, it did get scanned when he got back into the city. that's how they knew where to find him (like when he got onto the subway train). also, there are some parts of the city (the ghetto) which doesn't have any scans at all. it would make sense for him to seek shelter there. plus, being a cop, he probably knew about all the black market stuff that goes on in those parts of town, thus knowing that there would be some eye doctor there. cops have the hookups.

[Despair]

Well, I agree with you on the part about cops knowing where to look for criminal contacts He was dealing with eyeless drug dealer in the beginning.

But I was expecting cops and feds to be more organized in the future. ANd they are shown that way in the beginning, but then, John simply outsmarts them, or avoids them every time(like its dictated by the script), and they are even fail to find the future murder place, even when they have 2 days to do that.

I know you might say that Lamar is interfiering with them, but its never actually shown, so cant really be considered. It just shows law forces soo incompetent, and hero so brave and cunning

Its a pretty cool discussion were are having here. I like it

[Nash]

Originally posted by Despair
But I was expecting cops and feds to be more organized in the future. ANd they are shown that way in the beginning, but then, John simply outsmarts them, or avoids them every time(like its dictated by the script), and they are even fail to find the future murder place, even when they have 2 days to do that.

i'm guessing that john outsmarts them because he is the chief, and he knows how the system works. as for failing to find the future murder place, they didn't really devote their time to look for it until the last second. they spent all their time and energy trying to prevent john from reaching the murder scene.

Its a pretty cool discussion were are having here. I like it

yeah, i'm enjoying it, too. some of my answers you may not buy, but it's just a way for me to enjoy the movie without worrying about how this or that could or could not happen.

[Despair]

as for failing to find the future murder place, they didn't really devote their time to look for it until the last second. they spent all their time and energy trying to prevent john from reaching the murder scene.


Well you said it yourself Would it be easier to look up Leo Crow address and have a team waiting for Cruise to show up, since they knew that the murder WILL take a place at Crow's APPARTMENT?

Team is just waiting there, and when Cruise character shows up on the crime scene, BAM, they arrest him

I dont more simple solution than that. Its not like they had few hours before the event. They had atleast day and a half.

But it would be too easy, and it wouldnt become a movie this way

[Nash]

Originally posted by Despair
Well you said it yourself Would it be easier to look up Leo Crow address and have a team waiting for Cruise to show up, since they knew that the murder WILL take a place at Crow's APPARTMENT?
Team is just waiting there, and when Cruise character shows up on the crime scene, BAM, they arrest him I don't [see a] more simple solution than that. Its not like they had few hours before the event. They had atleast day and a half.

But it would be too easy, and it wouldnt become a movie this way

well, the place of murder wasn't leo crow's apartment, it was a hotel. also, i don't think the cops thought john was going to end up there. it is true that that was predicted, but because they were chasing him, they probably figure it would alter future events. in other words, had they let him go, then he would have ended up at the hotel. however, this throws in a twist to the movie --- sort of a time conundrum, which is: had agatha never predicted the murder, it never would have taken place. because she predicted it, john went on that whole venture to solve it, which eventually lead him to the scene of the crime. i think this is why john's case is so special.

[Regus]

I can not believe people are actually complaining about this films length. This was one of those movies that just flew by, and you never once stop to look down at your watch.

Originally posted by Green
Ok, so the precogs can't see murders commited out of passion in a large amount of time. They can only tell them minutes before they happen. Thing is, John's murder IS an act of passion. How did the precogs know of this many hours before it happened?

The reason John ended up with a brown predetermined ball was because, he himself said:

"I've only been thinking about two things for past six years, what my son would look like now, and what I would do to guy who took him".

This brings to mind another glaring issue. That whole sequence with her predicting everything from some dudes briefcase, to some chicks cheating on her boyfriend and telling her not to go home. All of this had nothing to do with murder and she was able to predict all of it. I didnt' know she could see everything??? When was this covered in the story? As far as I knew they dreamt of murders that actually took place, not everyones life on earth!!!

Didn't they say that the Precogs only see murders, because that's how Dr.Hennimen programed the system. For the past six years, the Precogs have been honing their physcic abilities, all the while being pumped with drugs in order to sedate them. Since she was unhooked from the system, Agatha no longer had the focus and control which she once had while conected to the other precogs in the temple. Once she was out, she could no longer control her power, and started to see everything.

Next up, the first thing thats made clear to us as viewers is how pre meditated crimes no longer exist because of the precrime system. Well it wasn't clear how pre meditated crimes were easier to pick up then crimes of passion.

They did explain it. It had something to do with crimes of passion being completly random, or something like that, I don't remember the exact wording, but I do know that they do explain it.

They never really explaind what DID happen to his son, or what will happen to the family of LEO CROW.

As if it really matters.
These things only exist to move the story along, there is no need to really go in depth into them. Movies do this all the time, like the brief case in Pulp Fiction, you don't know what's in there, and it doesn't really matter, because it's main purpose for being there is to move the story along.

He uses his OLD CREDIT card to pay surgen for the operation, wouldnt it alert cops, that credit card WAS used? It can be done NOW, and nothing happens in the future?

John did say:

"That's all I could move without alerting anyone."

So, who's to say that he's actually using his own account and not some fake one he set up.

[Nash]

someone asked about why john is the only cop on the squad to have a gun that fires bullets.

he's the chief. it makes sense that he would be he one with the authority to carry a weapon like that.

someone asked about why the cops didn't use the stun weapon on him in the alley, but did in the car factory.

the guys chasing him in the car factory were federal agents, not city cops.

someone asked about how his eyeballs bounce like marbles.

if you watch and listen closely, you can tell the eyeballs are not as hard as marbles. they may be harder than eyeballs are supposed to be, but they are still not as hard as marbles. i would assume that the doctor most likely sprayed them with a coating to keep them intact (preserve them). this coating gives them a layer of protection, causing the bounce.

if there are anymore questions, i'll answer them on sunday, when i have internet access again.

[Despair]

Well, See you Sunday Nash

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well, the place of murder wasn't leo crow's apartment, it was a hotel. also, i don't think the cops thought john was going to end up there. it is true that that was predicted, but because they were chasing him, they probably figure it would alter future events. in other words, had they let him go, then he would have ended up at the hotel. however, this throws in a twist to the movie --- sort of a time conundrum, which is: had agatha never predicted the murder, it never would have taken place. because she predicted it, john went on that whole venture to solve it, which eventually lead him to the scene of the crime. i think this is why john's case is so special
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It wasnt a hotel, it was never stated it was a hotel. John looked at the TENANTS list to and saw LEO CROW name, why would hotel have names of its guests posted in the lobby? So the cops KNEW where the murder will take place but DIDNT BOTHER to even go there prior to the events. Its DOESNT MAKE SENSE. Why in many other pre-crime cases they arrest criminals before the murder takes place, but AT the scene of murder, and here they just keep chasing John all over the city, but never care to go to ONLY place where the actual murder WILL take place. Sounds too UNBELIVABLE to me, and totally like a script gimmick . They EVEN only show up at the murder scene WAY after the murder does take place, and only because the other tenants called them in.

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someone asked about why john is the only cop on the squad to have a gun that fires bullets.
he's the chief. it makes sense that he would be he one with the authority to carry a weapon like that.
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I expect all Feds to carry guns, epecially Danny(or whatever his name was) character, but they didnt. They knew they were going against dangerous opponent, but none of them did have fire arms, and that doesnt sound right. Plus, they are from the different law division, so they dont follow the rules that cops do. It still proves my theory that its only a script requirement that John is ONLY person with the gun.

Be back with more thoughts later. Its good to see you guys seem to enjoyed this film, but for me more I think about, less I like it But it just me, I can be very critical of the things I dont like, and unfortunately, or not I didnt like MR

[Despair]

One more thing:

When John breaks into the Temple to get Agatha, he drops his eye balls and chases them while they are rolling downhill. He catches one at the last moment and uses it to get into the Temple.

Later, When he is arrested and his wife comes to free him from the prison, she has a bag with BOTH of his old eyes !!!!


And last thing:

When he is surrounded by the spiders in the bathroom, he has to lift the bandges and let them scan one eye - At that time the 12 hours didnt pass yet, and robots using bright laser beams to scan the retinas - Wouldnt it leave him one eye blind ???