Reply With QuoteI LOVED the movie. It was full of awesome action and Christian Bale was a 10/10. He'd be an 11/10 if he'd get rid of that damn mole.
I started my first rant on the subject by saying it was stupid.Originally Posted by kingoffighters
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I LOVED the movie. It was full of awesome action and Christian Bale was a 10/10. He'd be an 11/10 if he'd get rid of that damn mole.
So you acknowledge the inherent stupidity and then proceed to write a dissertation about time travel.
Because Frog LOVES to argue.So you acknowledge the inherent stupidity and then proceed to write a dissertation about time travel.
I mean hell he went on and on about how TEH GHEY Star Trek was and how the little fan service they gave was Teh Ghey. Now he goes on for like 2 pages about Time Travel, though last I checked he's not a scientist, but lord knows he knows all about this shit.
Jesus fuck ... listen to Nick its a goddamn fucking movie. Jesus.
Again, Frog should not be allowed to view any Summewr Blockbusters he takes all the fun out of them and squashes it with his analytical feet.
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You seem to always find the need to argue with him on every subject though. You two are like TNL's Siskel & Ebert on EVERYTHNG.
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I'm with Dole, I don't buy this at all. Kyle Reese is always the father of John Connor. Is it a paradox that the Connor has to send back in time the man who fathered him? Yes, but it is what it is.
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So, I went against my own advise and thought about more than the explosions.
How does Skynet know Kyle is John's dad? There is no way it could possibly know. For that matter, how does it even know John is such a threat. In past movies it went after John because it already lost and it determined John was the reason it lost. In this movie John hasn't posed any threat yet.
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This is my main gripe about the movie, aside from the handy USB ports on the terminator bikes and the front door of the Skynet facility. How can Skynet have a master plan in play for the removal of John Connor and Kyle Reese when they haven't done anything yet? And if they were aware of the relationship between them, and Kyle Reese was number one on their hit list, why not squish him when they identified him among the other prisoners?
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If you just go with the movies, there's only one time line and it gets altered repeatedly due to time-traveling shenanigans. There's never been any hints that there are alternate time lines. Some of you guys are just putting that in there yourselves based on your extrinsic knowledge of time-traveling theories. And when I say "one time line," I mean that there is only line of progression and not branching lines of progression where there are multiple versions of people and events in different futures. If you take the first three movies as they are, and ignore minor details like dates (which I attribute to bad writing), they still follow logically:
In Terminator, the machines were on the brink of defeat, so they send back a terminator to kill Sarah Connor to prevent John Connor from being born. To ensure his own existence to lead humanity to victory, John Connor sends back Kyle Reese to protect Sarah and have Kyle father John. After the destruction of the terminator, its arm remains in tact and left to be later discovered by Cyberdyne (as revealed in the sequel).
In Terminator 2, the machines failed to prevent John Connor's birth, so they send back the T-1000 to kill John Connor as a boy to prevent human victory. John Connor captures a T-800 terminator, reprograms it, and sends it back to protect himself. Cyberdyne discovers the terminator arm (and its CPU) from the events of the first movie, and reverse engineers it to create the microprocessor that is the basis for Skynet. In an attempt to prevent Judgment Day from ever happening, Sarah, John, and the T-800 destroys Cyberdyne.
In Terminator 3, having failed twice to prevent John Connor from leading humanity, the machines send back the T-X to kill John's future lieutenants and future wife, Kate Brewster to turn the tide of the war. To prevent that from happening, Kate sends back another reprogrammed T-800 to ensure her and John's survival. It is revealed that the U.S. military has continued Cyberdyne's research and creates Skynet. Skynet, having become self-aware, secretly deploys a virus to feign an attack the U.S. Believing the virus to be some sort of foreign assault, the U.S. gives Skynet full control to fight back. This leads to Judgment Day as Skynet fires off nukes around the world. John then realizes that he and his mother did not prevent Judgment Day, but only delayed it and that the time loops still has to happen.
After these three movies, the future still happens in the same time line, just delayed and with (minor) changes Back to the Future style. Just because the changes aren't shown like in Back to the Future doesn't mean they don't occur. The big events still happen and the time paradoxes and loops still exist: 1) John is still required to send Kyle back to ensure his own existence, 2) Skynet would not exist had the T-800 not been sent back to kill Sarah (whether Skynet is aware of this is unknown), 3) Certain information that the future Kate knows is due to the T-800 having told her in the present, etc.
As for Terminator Salvation, I got to catch it last night and thought it was pretty decent. It feels more like a two-hour Animatrix-type side story than a sequel, so it's pretty much a useless addition to the movie series. It doesn't add any big picture revelations like how Terminator introduced the time loop, Terminator 2 proposed that the future can be prevented, and Terminator 3 proposed that it can only be slightly changed or delayed but not ultimately prevented.
However Terminator Salvation was still enjoyable as a movie --- the action was great, the special effects were pretty good, and I couldn't get over how spot-on Anton Yelchin was as a young Kyle Reese. I agree with some of the sentiments above that Marcus could have been taken out completely and it wouldn't have changed the grand scheme of things. Had the original ending been left in tact, his role would have been a lot more significant in having John Connor as a symbol. It would also create an ironic twist in that the John Connor whose time-traveling involvements in the first two movies to prevent humanity's destruction was actually a robot.
Anyway, there's no need to over-think these movies by clamoring to little details. The movie-makers obviously don't give a shit, so you shouldn't either. They put these movies out to make money, and we watch them for entertainment. That's about the extent I'm putting into them.
I'd rate the movies in the following order: Terminator 2, Terminator 3, Terminator, and Terminator Salvation.
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