Terminator Salvation

[SpoDaddy]

All those movies were spent protecting Sarah/John from the machines.I think it would just be a huge cop-out to kill John, make all of that a lie and just make him a machine. I think its better to know that his experiences fighting this shit and surviving for so long are what make him a great leader, not that he's running off a program and robotic body. Everyone knows a Terminator/robot can probably survive a war,shrug off bullets, and keep going, but its more interesting to see that a punk kid can survive this long and lead humanity to victory.

Killing John doesn't make it a lie. John Connor is still the leader of the resistance if Marcus assumes his identity; the movie made it abundantly clear that John Connor exists above all else as a symbol of hope and victory. If anything that interferes with John saving humanity ruins the original films, what's the point of having more movies? If we're getting more movies I want them to be interesting and add to the story. Also, who cares if the sanctity of John Connor's life is dashed; these movies aren't LOTR, they're grim genocide movies. John Connor has never been the cool part of a Terminator movie, it's always been a Terminator, so why not make John Connor a Terminator? It's not like we still have Arnold to star in these movies.

[Jetman]

Killing John doesn't make it a lie. John Connor is still the leader of the resistance if Marcus assumes his identity; the movie made it abundantly clear that John Connor exists above all else as a symbol of hope and victory. If anything that interferes with John saving humanity ruins the original films, what's the point of having more movies? If we're getting more movies I want them to be interesting and add to the story. Also, who cares if the sanctity of John Connor's life is dashed; these movies aren't LOTR, they're grim genocide movies. John Connor has never been the cool part of a Terminator movie, it's always been a Terminator, so why not make John Connor a Terminator? It's not like we still have Arnold to star in these movies.

Making Marcus= John Connor would have been LAME.It would have been done completely for 'omg-shock' value.That would be like Batman dying at the end of Dark Knight and having Alfred put on the cape and cowl.May be funny or cool at the time,but long term, just dumb.
I dont need an 'extreme-copkilling-martial artist-convict-android' to take the place of the leader of humanity.Just get some decent writers behind the movie an make John more interesting. Theres a reason why characters like Batman are more fun to read about and watch than Superman most of the time. Because batman has human flaws that he grows, learns, and adapts from. He's the underdog and has to fight harder,think smarter, than say Superman because he cant dodge bullets,lift cars, and shoot beams of light out of his eyes at criminals.Same scenario applies to a human leader versus a nigh invincible Terminator leader.

He's a symbol because of what he is. A human who survived D-Day and pulled humanity together against all odds. The point of seeing more movies would be to see how John saves humanity. I know when I go see the next Dark Knight movie, Im about 100% sure Batman wont die in it, but it doesnt make his story any less appealing or fun to watch.

-Sorry about using Batman as my core sample here, Batman Begins was the last movie I watched before going in to work today for some reason...

[YellerDog]

Making Marcus = John Connor would have been the only thing saving this motherfucker from mediocrity.

[Despair]

So yeah, finally saw this yesterday and WOW, Wolverine got some serious competition in story suck department. It also made me appreciate T3 all that much more. Even though T3 was worst out of trilogy before this, that one is way more competent action flick than this one was. To think, I liked 2nd season of TV series better than this. It went to ACTUALLY INTERESTING direction, and was smarter than big screen feature.

Not all of Salvation was bad, to tell the truth. I'll say that first hour or so, even entertaining. Its when movie gets close to the end, the shit breaks loose and runs around free like a bunch of retards.

Direction wise McG does somewhat competent job at the helm, but its mostly screenwriters fault for the shitty 2nd half, since McG does try to copy Cameron's style and some of the action direction is quite competent.

Marcus being picture's big mystery was a decent new character (well, until of the Skynet hospital visit and change of HEART ). His introduction in post Judgment day world, his scenes with Reese, Truck escape and most of the action scenes were nicely done, and Worrington fit in action hero mold just fine. Bale...not so much. He still stuck in his Batman's I wanna be moody mode, but at least his gruffy Batman voice was at minimum here While I DON'T think Yelchin looked anything like Biehn, he actually did good Kyle Reese, and along with Marcus, were ONLY this film Salvation. Rest of the cast, was wasted, pointless or just stupid.

Lot was said about lack of main villain as all of those random SET PIECES were nothing to be thrilled much about. When CG Arnold finally showed up in last 20 fucking minutes, this flick finally got some hope to be a bit more exciting, but alas all we got was lame fight/chase that followed. While the Harverster/Transport/Bike trasformers combo was awesome (and man I wanted more of that), they were shown in like one fucking 10 minute sequence and rest was mostly of people walking back n forth through CG back fucking drops The point of smart mute kid is lost to me forever. I bet its for audience say hay that girl is soooo cute. awwww and smart too - look she wants to press that big red button that says KABOOM !!!!

Speaking of effect. There were the highlight, CG Arnold was jaw dropping and so were most of other machines. CG backdrops... not so much.

I think I will take some sweet pleasure in making fun of some of the stupid plot holes or just stuff that didn't make sense, even if this is a stupid action movie.

So, Did Skynet know about Kyle Reese being Connor's father? If yes, then WHY the fuck it didn't kill poor Kyle the moment it captured him, instead of retarded"I am super smart computer and I will make a TRAP !!!" plot thread we got. If it didn't know, why did it STILL didn't kill Kyle, as it was mentioned Kyle was #1 on Skynet's kill list???

What even better is Conner himself: Hey whoever listens. Don't give up. I have a plan. We gonna attack Skynet tonight at 9 pm, and save everyone. Pssst. Don't tell machines about this little secret. Ok, Resistance Out. !!! I mean seriously John ??? Machines cant fucking hear you on that radio???? Man, even typing this made me feel stupider

I loved how Skynet city (size of San Francisco) was FUCKING EMPTY. I am not fucking kidding. Where were MILLIONS of Machines building, making cleaning and supporting it. It had countless factories and super defense system around it. But it all magically dissapeared. Must be robots Holiday Weekend or Lunch Break. Its like it was said in recent GI Joe thread, when Joes get to Cobras super base and all there are like 2 tanks and 20 guys guarding it lol When we get to the last action sequence, we get 2, yes thats right, chasing Batman and Co around whats looks like the same fucking set left from end of T2. I was waiting to see fat steel mill workers doing their jobs, but they also went to LUNCH.

Skynet vs Marcus: Hello Marcus. Sup Dead Chick Scientist. Whoa babe whats with the RED EYES !!! I am evil computer system, you must obey me Marcus. Nah, fuck this noise I am going home. No !! You cant leave, I made you !!! So? You gonna stop me? Fuck no, I have ABSOLUTELY NO DEFENSE, LOCKS DOORS or anything else to stop you Marcus from escaping and BLOWING MY CPU BRAIN OUT. Have Nice Day. Also, don't forget to use that chair to smash this cool screen. Bye !!!!

Why the fuck T800 was toying with Connor?? Instead of breaking his bones/neck he picks him up and throws him AROUND. Over and fucking OVER. In past films, Terminator never got the chance to get that close to John or Sarah, but they were WAY more dangerous than this lame shit. This time T800 just calmly walked after Batman, and get this when John shot the hole in the wall, and jumped out to the production floor, T800 decided, fuck that, I am going AROUND and taking STAIRS. I am not fucking joking. I wish I was.

I felt sad to see great Michael Ironside in the thankless role of Resistance Asshole Old Fart Leader stuck in the sub swimming back n forth. Thats all that sub did. I have no problems with sub (in real conflict sub survival rater would be highest from almost anything else), it just that plot line was another example of clichéd stupidity. Look, these old farts don't trust Batman, want to kill innocent hostages disregarding John's warning - whats gonna happen - Thats right Karma is a bitch and will bite them in the ass. Bring in the HK BOMBER !!!. Kaaaaaaboooom

Speaking of resistance, I agree with complains about human bases not being REALLY hidden. Half a time they right out there in giant outside hangars in the fucking DAYLIGHT.

So HOW exactly did they SAVE those thousands prisoners at Skynet Central before it all went Bada Boom? All was saw was ONE chopper Conner and Co got in to. Who cares - minor plot hole right??? Oh God.

John Connor at Skynet prison camp: Hey dudes seen Kyle Reese??? Who, You know Kyle Reese, My Pappy !!! Nah, never heard of him. Connor runs into 20 more people asking the same. Behind him you see Resee yelling at the plastiglass wall: Daddy I AM HEREEEE @@@ Terminators watch all of these over video camera feed and laugh.

So best way to highjack the Terminator bike is:

1. Get boombox and some heavymetal tapes
2. Play said music in the middle of desert highway - Termi-bikes have extreme sensitivity to heavy metal and can hear it from million miles so just wait few mins.
3. Get some nice rope and handy USB flash drive.
4. Tag your new bike

Geniuses. I still don't get why Terminator would have USB drive port?

Final Words: At least there were NO Adamantium Memory Bullets

More is coming up

[Melf]

"and I am through!"

[YellerDog]

Why does a Terminator bike have handlebars? T-800's do like motorcycles....

[Despair]

Ok, Part 2 of Epic Rant

The Heart: Oh Marcus, Your Heart is So Awesome !!!

Hearing that made me think about Crank High Voltage. Just like Chev Chelios, Marcus heart is thing of a fucking beauty. And it just keeps on ticking. Even after being fucking SMASHED by T800. Nah, nothing that Batman can fixs, with just some handy electric shock. Minute later Batman STABBED almost right through HIS HEART. His reaction -Hmm that stings a bit. No worries though. He is healthy enough hike to the helicopter, long flight back to the base and then we get the news: HIS HEART CANT TAKE IT ANYMORE !!! Neither IS MINE !!!!

The solution you may ask? Former Vet Assistant turned Neuro Heart Surgeon Kate B:
His dying, see just like T850 said in T3, he KILLED John, Oh wait, that cant be cause I then reprogrammed that bot to go back into the past, and this one was T800 and headless and Nuked. Ah, forget about it - Anyone has a Heart Spare by any chance??

Marcus: Hey, I am feeling kinda suicidal AGAIN, and I have this awesome UNIVERSAL heart. I am SURE it will work for John just fine. Cue in 10 minutes of sad music and crying face. Good Bye Marcus Thank you for YOUR SACRIFICE to HUMANITY. Oh, Time for John Connor talk to the Nation radio address. Don't worry Skynet not listening. I promise !!!

Four Helicopters fly into Sun. Where they going?? The fuck do I know. But it just yet another cliche. Adios

To think of few more things:

In the beginning Connor and Crew break into this underground facility (they have like 6-8 people and find more people there as test subjects). Once again all Terminators are mysteriously GONE. Even people are surprised - I guess there is some hope for those in the future yet. We do see Marcus dead like on the table and Connor gets glimpse of T800 specs. Moments later Conner outside everyone is dead and we never get to see what happens to his crew. Conner sees a transport (which I am assuming has all of those people from under, cause otherwise you can understand SHIT) crashes helicopter and sees Nuke going like 100 feet away. Something like that, unless I am wrong. Connor walks away pissed, and then we see Marcus crawl out of dirt like he was fucking buried there??? Never mind, trying to find logic here is not worth it

You know what was awesome? How Batman is so bad ass he can jump into SUB which is underwater from the copter flying above in the storm. Seriously, Bale jumps out, and moment later magically teleports into the sub Thats some great Beaming tech there

Bring on The RAPISTS !!! Even in the future, men are pigs. In the times when humanity bonds to fight the machines, we all need to come and be one family. But not The RAPISTS !!! That cooky bunch lives to abuse and assault brave women of us air forces stranded in the desert, on the way to home base. What do The Rapists want you may ask !!!! The Pussy. But thanks to the Brave and Handsome Marcus Whright, they wont be getting any. Neither will he, cause of that Heart Act, even though heroic pilot chick would jump his metal bones for sure.

I guess the ponds in the future are infested with Termi-snakes. Or maybe only ponds around human bases. Bases that terminators don't really know about it.

After John crashed 2nd helicopter, I am sure resistance will think twice about giving him anymore in the future. Hmm, nah, he is a leader one cause old farts gone with the sub. Its all John's party now.

Oh, our Heroes meeting with the Mad Max extras. Hiding in the good old derelict gas station ruins. But with hearts of gold to feed starving mute orphans. Too bad they had no other senses, as giant ass robot just tip toed behind the building and ambushed them. Yes, Seriously. Who needs guards and all other nonsense. And those giant robots are awful silent when they walk

So thats what we got. Few entertaining bits like the truck chase, which as actually fun to watch. CG Arnold, and the fact that terminator at least didn't give up half way. Though Hot Hot Hot - Cold Cold Cold scene was hilarious. As was the aping of T1000 rebuilding in the form of T800 shedding cold metal :;

To think of it, and to chime in the voice that came in before mine: nothing new really happen here. It can be named: Terminator Salvation: The Quest to Save JC's Daddy and be 100% right about what the plot it.

[Nash]

I have no idea what Despair just said in his two posts, but I think I'm starting to like Terminator Salvation more after reading them!

[Despair]

Good for ya Nash I am happy you found stuff in there to enjoy, and possibly not for laughs

I wonder if they could have given Marcus that Cheilou's Electric Heart so we can have Terminator High Voltage sequel

[Dolemite]

I don't know what Cameron had to say about it, but I always thought that the Terminator in that scene was a T-600 and not a T-800. In the brief flash where he emerged from under the blanket, he looked human but especially in the scene where his eyes were glowing and because of the fact he was covered in a blanket leads me to believe that his human appearance was only superficial and not really good cover. Kyle said they had rubber skin and it could definately pass as human at a first glance with this kind of thing covering the exoskeleton.

The Terminator in the bunker scene was a T-800. That scene started when Kyle was telling Sarah about them ("They were the newest...the worst.").

The T-600 has never been seen on-screen until Terminator Salvation and The Sarah Connor Chronicles.