Super Ultra Street Fighter 4 Turbo Alpha Gold Championship Edition'

[Klonoa]

Gouken?

shen long?

[Shin Johnpv]

Uh, I did. I don't think you did!

If no 3D fighter is great or had great animation, then the other kind of fighter, 2D, is the only kind that is even capable of being great. See it?

His dream for SFIV is probably just an updated SFIII with more characters.

wow no you completely didn't read my post, or even the one I quoted you. Studios today don't treat animation with a high enough level of respect to have this come out feeling right in 3D. Until studios start to give animators more time to animate and make high quality animation, games like this should be done in 2D.

Way to skip over everything else I wrote. I'm done conversing about anything with you.

[TODE]

Until studios start to give animators more time to animate and make high quality animation, games like this should be done in 2D.

Yeah, Tekken and Virtua Fighter and Dead or Alive sure do have shitty, low quality animation, right?

Granted, you expanded a bit on your point in the paragraph about Sagat's fireball that you added later that I didn't see until a moment ago. (This is why there wasn't any mention of it in my response, earlier.)

That said, you still seem devoted to the idea that this game would be better off in 2D because you don't think 3D can rise to the occasion. I think it can. This is the core of our argument here and I guess we will just have to agree to disagree.

[YellerDog]

Fuck off, jerk-off. Street Fighter 4 still looks really, really bad. It had design AIDS.

Tekken looks like a bunch of robots. Dead or Alive has a bunch of robots with titties effected by some strange gravity not-of-this-earth.

[Grave]

His dream for SFIV is probably just SFIII with characters from Alpha and II in it.

Hey, there'd be nothing wrong with that...! But that's not really something new either. I'm optimistic that we will get something good out of this, even if it takes a while, but I do wish they could give me some new characters I could get excited about right now. They're where my hope is for this game being interesting, and so far... not so good.

Design AIDS. That sounds okay.

[YellerDog]

It is now very susceptible to Design Pneumonia.

[Shin Johnpv]

Yeah, Tekken and Virtua Fighter and Dead or Alive sure do have shitty, low quality animation, right?

Stop putting words in my mouth, thats not what I said. I said it was alright, not great though, and thats all they have. Though some stuff is pretty meh. Though like Yeller mentioned, DoA has horrible breast animation that has no basis in the real world.

Granted, you expanded a bit on your point in the paragraph about Sagat's fireball that you added later that I didn't see until a moment ago. (This is why there wasn't any mention of it in my response, earlier.)

I expanded on that over 2 hours before your reply. It was there when you wrote your reply I feel you may have chosen to not read it and instead gave a knee jerk reaction to 1 comment. Again good job at not reading a post.

That said, you still seem devoted to the idea that this game would be better off in 2D because you don't think 3D can rise to the occasion. I think it can. This is the core of our argument here and I guess we will just have to agree to disagree.

Again stop putting words in my mouth, and learn comprehension. Read what I'm actually saying instead of acting like a fucking woman and trying to find the hidden meaning in it. I never said 3d can't rise the occasion, that would be fucking stupid of me to do, considering I'm a 3D animator. I said the studios don't treat animation in 3D well enough for this to come out with great animation. A lot of short cuts that are taken in animation don't effect 2D as much as they do 3D animation IMHO. I feel there is quite a bit more you can get away with and still have the animation work and feel good in 2D. I could be wrong though, but held poses and things like that work in 2D, where you need moving holds in 3D, stuff like that.

This has fully to do with Capcom not rising to the occasion and putting the time and money into the animation it deserves, like most game studios today, like I said in my post.

[FuryFox]

Yeah, I'm not sure what 3D games you guys are talking about with they crappy animation, but that's generally a highlight for the better series in the genre. Comparing SF4's awkward recreations of the 2D animation to something like DOA4 is just silly. Granted, 2D fighter animation uses a lot of canceling, so I'm not really holding it against SF4 (or other titles like KoF2006 that recreate 2D play mechanics). I think a realistic issue though is whether animation-canceling looks good in a fully-animated 3D fighter.

To me, the better the animation gets, the worse things like c.MK -> Hadouken look.

edit: WTF at all this DOA breast nonsense. In DOA4 the girls bounce like they're wearing sturdy sports bras. That seems like a reasonable compromise. The only version where it was ridiculous was the first one, which is too old to bother mentioning.

[TODE]

Fuck off, jerk-off.

What is so wrong with asking people about why they have different views? All I want to know is why people think I should not be happy with what I am seeing in the game, to have a good discussion about it.

[YellerDog]

Which is conveyed by sarcasm and posting like a douchebag? Other than that, not much.