Election Thread 2008 MAKE SURE YOU VOTE

[Yoshi]

Ok, I get your point. As long as we acknowledge that social, economic, and cultural factors play a big part in this (which you didn't seem to want to admit at first).

They do, and it's the individual's job to break the cycle, because the government cannot do it.

[Othello Harrington]

Yoshi is on fire, but let us focus on the fact that Astroblue just called me out on something he has no idea how it works in the least. It's time TNL understands idiots need to be called out.

And before he says "OMG you SAID x-ray" I simplified it for TNL.

[Frogacuda]

They do, and it's the individual's job to break the cycle, because the government cannot do it.

Of course. Unfortunately it's a real cultural problem in this country that black kids, especially boys, are taught hopelessness at a young age. White kids are told optimistic lies about how they can grow up to be president if they work hard, and black kids are taught that society will keep them down and that the only way out is through one in a million long-shots like crime, music, and athletics. This message pervades pop culture, it's in the music, literature, movies...

It is everyone's responsibility to overcome this, but when you teach people hopelessness from a young age, the toll it takes on society is immeasurable.

[Othello Harrington]

Of course. Unfortunately it's a real cultural problem in this country that black kids, especially boys, are taught hopelessness at a young age. White kids are told optimistic lies about how they can grow up to be president if they work hard, and black kids are taught that society will keep them down and that the only way out is through one in a million long-shots like crime, music, and athletics. This message pervades pop culture, it's in the music, literature, movies...

It is everyone's responsibility to overcome this, but when you teach people hopelessness from a young age, the toll it takes on society is immeasurable.

Well then it seems we have a parenting problem, again, is that the white man's fault Frog? I just want you to say it once, say it's the white mans fault please!

Because I would agree to an extent.

[Yoshi]

Of course. Unfortunately it's a real cultural problem in this country that black kids, especially boys, are taught hopelessness at a young age. White kids are told optimistic lies about how they can grow up to be president if they work hard, and black kids are taught that society will keep them down and that the only way out is through one in a million long-shots like crime, music, and athletics. This message pervades pop culture, it's in the music, literature, movies...

It is everyone's responsibility to overcome this, but when you teach people hopelessness from a young age, the toll it takes on society is immeasurable.

So black people tell black people that they have no hope, and when it comes true, it's not black people's fault?

Reparations for slavery can only be requested for so many generations.

[MarkRyan]

I've read the last three pages of this thread and while I see two different arguments I'm not really sure on how they connect.

Maybe the quote in my signature has some relevance.

[Othello Harrington]

Ron Paul is hypocritical fail, sorry Mark.

[MarkRyan]

Ron Paul is hypocritical fail, sorry Mark.

I disagree, but the quote's still poignant.

[Othello Harrington]

I'm not arguing with the point at all, it's the man giving it.

The problem is that racism has been with us since 2000 bc when the Hittites were wiped out by the babylonians. It will never go away, and that's sad.

[Yoshi]

MarkRyan's sig quote is right. Giving a free pass to a group is ridiculous.