All GOOD RPGs vs. Final Fantasy

[Frogacuda]

Originally posted by LordPerrin
WTF are you guys smoking? You may not like the Sony installments, but how the hell can anyone say 4 was better than 6?

I'm not a big fan of either, but I wold concur that 4 is better than 6. It had better characters and interaction and a better plot. I personally think the series peaked at FF5. FF6 had this very formulaeic plot and characters that was just about making a design, giving them an overdone dialect and a background story to be revealed later that usually didn't even tie into the overall plot. The gamplay was simplified badly over 5 as well. I didn't like it.

[Shin Johnpv]

Originally posted by LordPerrin
WTF are you guys smoking? You may not like the Sony installments, but how the hell can anyone say 4 was better than 6?

mainly because the story was more centralized and i like that more

the story in 6 with all the characters was just well all over the place it was TOO open ended in my opinion i just didnt get into the characters the way i did in IV

plus in IV everyone had a role i didnt feel that from VI i mean you could teach every single character every single spell in the game i didnt like that (cept umaro and gogo)

i just felt more attatched to the characters in IV

being forced to use certain characters at certain points helped the story in my opinion

theres a reason why the number of times ive played through FFIV is in the double digits

[Frogacuda]

Originally posted by Shin Johnpv


mainly because the story was more centralized and i like that more

the story in 6 with all the characters was just well all over the place it was TOO open ended in my opinion i just didnt get into the characters the way i did in IV

plus in IV everyone had a role i didnt feel that from VI i mean you could teach every single character every single spell in the game i didnt like that (cept umaro and gogo)

i just felt more attatched to the characters in IV

being forced to use certain characters at certain points helped the story in my opinion

I couldn't agree more. However I can appreciate how alot of the game's subtleties were lost due to the horrific translation in the US SNES version.

[Despair]

Well, I love FF series, even FF8 that every one else seems to hate, but those are not the only rpgs out there. And I get upset sometimes when other games get compared to FF games, and being treaded less then good because of that.

Take for example Shadow Hearts. Very cool rpg, had bad luck to come out right before FFX hit the streets. And was immediately compared to FFX, and bashed by the reviewers, given less than stellar score and avoided by mainstream gamers

Maybe the game unique, dark horror style was different from the usual mold, or the fun battle system with ring of judgement, that required gamer attention, instead of same select attack from the menu battle system of FF, or less spectacular graphics, which are not on FFX level, but have some great touches and excellent character designs much better than in FFX, and great music.

They said the graphics are not good as FFX, or the battles not on FFX level, or simular crap like that. I'm not bashing FFX here, I love that game, and currently playing and having lots of fun, but comparing the bigger, more known game to the smaller production, and treating that less than it deserves, sucks

[rezo]

FF 4 was one of the worst RPGs I've ever played. Those subtleties that were lost better have been hella' important. I think I hate it enough to actually remember the reasons why(I usually forget RPG stories after a few years). bad game.


great soundtrack though. one of the best I've heard. . .ever

[Punky Skunk]

Originally posted by Captain Vegetable

"If it copies Final Fantasy, it's a rip off, a bad game, and not worth the plastic/aluminum it's printed on!"

Quit being stupid. Did anyone say that? If you're talking about my SO2 comments, I never made any indication as to what I thought of its quality.

And congratulations on creating the worst topic I've seen on this board in a great while. What it really needed is a roundabout "hardcore RPGer vs. mainstream RPGer" topic, which this is. RPGs shouldn't be movies? Profound.

Shining the Holy Ark? My favorite Saturn game, but if you honestly think it has a better story than FF7, there are problems to sort out. The game barely has a story at all compared to FF7, and what's there is predominantly cliche material.

[MechDeus]

RPGs are compared to Final Fantasy because everyone knows it through and through, whether they want to or not.

For the same reason everything that remotely has stealth in it in some form or another is compared to MGS, or every adventure game is compared to Zelda, or every game with dark overtones is compared to Resident Evil...

It's not whether or not it's good, it's that everyone can relate it back to said subject. And since the FF games are normally held in such high regard (as are the previously listed titles), hence the comparisions to many consider "the best of the genre".

I'd say Valkryie Profile for console RPGs, but how many outside of this board (honestly, I'll bet there's still plenty of you on this board who haven't played it) would catch the reference? Maybe one out of every 20,000 or so.

[Captain Vegetable]

Originally posted by Rob
Quit being stupid.

Eat a dick, Chumpy.

Did anyone say that? If you're talking about my SO2 comments, I never made any indication as to what I thought of its quality.

Way to play politician!!!

P.S. this isn't the only board I frequent. Could it be that I was talking about "the general opinion" and not fingering you specifically because I hold you in high reguard and think you're a pretty smart guy who believes in his convictions and wouldn't say something without reason?

Nah! Why would I do something like that? I am stupid after all, and evedently an asshole to boot.

And congratulations on creating the worst topic I've seen on this board in a great while. What it really needed is a roundabout "hardcore RPGer vs. mainstream RPGer" topic, which this is. RPGs shouldn't be movies? Profound.

Well, I guess that makes me a "mainstream RPGer," because I play the Final Fantasy games. I have my gripes with them, but I like them none the less.

Oh! Look! I never made any indication as to what I thought of their quality! I can play politician now too!...asshole.

Shining the Holy Ark? My favorite Saturn game, but if you honestly think it has a better story than FF7, there are problems to sort out. The game barely has a story at all compared to FF7, and what's there is predominantly cliche material.

You got me here. I've never played Shining the Holy Ark. You must be talking to someone else...

[Punky Skunk]

Originally posted by Captain Vegetable
Way to play politician!!!

Or "save my opinions from your imagination." You imagined my opinion, I never said what I thought of the game. You shouldn't even humor me like this if you weren't referring to my SO2 comparison.

P.S. this isn't the only board I frequent. Could it be that I was talking about "the general opinion" and not fingering you specifically because I hold you in high reguard and think you're a pretty smart guy who believes in his convictions and wouldn't say something without reason?

"If." It was an important part of the sentence.

Oh! Look! I never made any indication as to what I thought of their quality! I can play politician now too!...asshole.

Oh, come on:

"the Final Fantasy "series" is nothing but a single game, butchered and re-pieced together over, and over, and over again."

"Another issue I take up is the out right subversion of "Square-syndrome." It happens to every freaking one of Square's main characters. It's recycled character development, and it offends me."

[Captain Vegetable]

Originally posted by Rob
Oh, come on:

"the Final Fantasy "series" is nothing but a single game, butchered and re-pieced together over, and over, and over again."

"Another issue I take up is the out right subversion of "Square-syndrome." It happens to every freaking one of Square's main characters. It's recycled character development, and it offends me."

What? I didn't say that. I didn't inhale. No I didn't, no I'm not.

I'm playing politician. Isn't it working?