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  1. Oh, this article is a great bit of trolling. Seriously, are the experts better than amateurs at what they do? How much of the music the "mainstream media" has given us is more worth my time listening to than underground, self driven stuff? Fucking Van Gogh only ever sold a painting in his life to his brother, who disguised himself to not hurt Van Gogh's feelings. He was nowhere near what anyone would have called an expert. People will do their thing, expert or not, and if other people like it, it will get exposed to more people. Talk about wikipedia reaching the lowest common denominator of information, look at any summer popcorn flick. They're all trying to hit the lowest they can aim. This is bullshit from start to finish.

  2. With the state of internet amateurism these days I fear there may never be another as good as Mercyful Fate.

  3. "Things are only good if they're accessable to an exclusive group. All good records should cost $5,000 just to keep the gutter trash from hearing them."
    Quote Originally Posted by Razor Ramon View Post
    I don't even the rage I mean )#@($@IU_+FJ$(U#()IRFK)_#
    Quote Originally Posted by Some Stupid Japanese Name View Post
    I'm sure whatever Yeller wrote is fascinating!

  4. Boo, Hiss.

  5. Quote Originally Posted by some angry old prick
    say goodbye to experts and cultural gatekeepers
    bye!

  6. Quote Originally Posted by YellerDog View Post
    "Things are only good if they're accessable to an exclusive group. All good records should cost $5,000 just to keep the gutter trash from hearing them."


    Fewer avenues for publication = greater competition for publication

    Greater competition for publication = greater products

    Greater effort required to achieve publication = greater products

    With that setup, much of the garbage weeds itself out because it never even gets off the ground. It never gets signed, it never gets heard, etc.

    Consider the arena of touring musicians, and how MySpace bands are affecting it:

    They’re the ones who’ve caused concerts that used to be two to three bands deep to become burdened with four or five bands, which takes away stage time and paycheck percentages from the truly deserving acts.

    Overbooked gigs have also birthed the modern phenomenon of touring bands sharing a single set of musical equipment to cut out down-time in between sets that normally would be spent hauling gear on/off the stage. Because the use of “community equipment” tends to create lots of sound/performance issues when the musicians finally get on stage, fans often leave shows disappointed, feeling like a shorter set with great sound would be preferable to a longer set with poor sound—of course, without MySpace bands, this issue does not even exist.

    Those familiar with the money trail in the music industry should also know that bands tend to make the bulk of their money off touring (or more specifically, the merchandise they sell while touring). Throwing more bands onto concert bills only creates more competition for that money. The larger the concert bill, the smaller the percentage of ticket sales that each band receives. Furthermore, when you get four or five different bands with merchandise tables set-up after the show, it seems like the tendency of most concert-goers is to only buy merchandise from their favorite band, whereas at a smaller show, fans seem more willing to give that second-best band some compensation too, on account of not feeling so “overwhelmed” with all the merchandise floating around, and also, having more of a chance to approach the bands and connect with them on a personal level.

    With music today being about as cheap and easy to make as it’s ever been, it’s no surprise to see parasite bands thriving to new heights. People have begun to recognize that any idiot can spend a couple hundred dollars and a weekend of time to crank out a demo that sounds just as clean as a radio single, log on to MySpace, and share the demo with a global listening audience that numbers in the millions. For as little effort as goes into the product, the rewards of such music making (praise, admiration, courtship--both by record labels and by members of the opposite sex--maybe even a little financial gain) are abnormally large.
    Last edited by jyoung; 05 Jun 2008 at 04:43 PM.

  7. Why would they attribute bigger bills to myspace? The connection there is weak. I would say there are more viable small venues starting to have shows for the smaller bands, but that's a good thing not a bad thing.

    They are also belittling the skill it takes to create something people want to listen to. Not just anyone will get a million hits on myspace, most will barely break a 1,000. The system does discriminate.

  8. Weeman, have you ever been in a band?

  9. Quote Originally Posted by PaCrappa View Post
    Weeman, have you ever been in a band?
    I bet he's been asked to leave several!

    How is "overbooked venues" the fault of the band? That sounds like the fault of the venue.


    If "any idiot" can make a clean sounding radio single, isn't that just as good as a studio produced clean sounding radio single? Does that not, in fact, make it even more foolish to produce through a major label?

    Explain what a "parasite band" is.
    Last edited by YellerDog; 05 Jun 2008 at 05:20 PM.
    Quote Originally Posted by Razor Ramon View Post
    I don't even the rage I mean )#@($@IU_+FJ$(U#()IRFK)_#
    Quote Originally Posted by Some Stupid Japanese Name View Post
    I'm sure whatever Yeller wrote is fascinating!

  10. Fewer avenues for publication = greater competition for publication

    Greater competition for publication = greater products

    Greater effort required to achieve publication = greater products

    With that setup, much of the garbage weeds itself out because it never even gets off the ground. It never gets signed, it never gets heard, etc.
    In an open contest with hundreds of people, only a handful of them will actually be competing for the prize. Even if they're ultimately not picked up they're already creating worthwhile stuff, so having the internet available to them is a good thing.

    And as Stormy said, the majority of independent artists online have little or no recognition. You cannot just throw something online and expect fans to fall into your lap through the magic of viral marketing. If someone's lack of recognition is motivation to improve, then being ignored online will make them bust their ass in the same way that being rejected by publishers would.

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