The Obama Presidency

[Diff-chan]

Add welfare, and I'm on board.

Include the mortgage interest deduction as welfare.

[Yoshi]

I'd go for that. My house is almost paid off, and the original intent of only land owners voting makes sense to me.

[Diff-chan]

Yea but you've gotten the deduction, so no voting for you.

The idea that only a certain number of people can engage and work to enact policy that affects a larger group of people is fundamentally anti-democratic.

[Yoshi]

I would have happily declined it to keep that right. It's not that big a deal.

[Yoshi]

The idea that only a certain number of people can engage and work to enact policy that affects a larger group of people is fundamentally anti-democratic.

It's a good thing we don't live in a democracy.

[Diff-chan]

What difference does that make? we live in a system where people vote for other people to represent their views. If I can vote and you can't, but the policies that rep works on affect us both, it's not representative by definition.

I mean, it was easy for politicians to pass the Fugitive Slave Act when the people who were affected by it had no voice in the system. That's just fucked.

[Yoshi]

What difference does that make? we live in a system where people vote for other people to represent their views. If I can vote and you can't, but the policies that rep works on affect us both, it's not representative by definition.

Criminals can lose the right to vote, because they have failed to contribute positively to society. They're not alone in that failure.

[Diff-chan]

I actually don't necessarily agree with felons losing the right to vote. I also don't want some bumblefuck legislature to decide what is "positive contribution to society." I don't think, for example, Goldman Sachs bankers contributed positively to society in 2008 (or now, really) but I know they deserve the right to vote.

[Bojack]

Criminals can lose the right to vote, because they have failed to contribute positively to society. They're not alone in that failure.

I bet "contributing positively to society" is one of those right wing "I know it when I see it" kind of reasoning to justify removing rights from some one you just don't like.

[Anthony]

I actually don't necessarily agree with felons losing the right to vote. I also don't want some bumblefuck legislature to decide what is "positive contribution to society." I don't think, for example, Goldman Sachs bankers contributed positively to society in 2008 (or now, really) but I know they deserve the right to vote.

I would give the right to vote to most felons over goldman sachs bankers.