North Korean Rocket Launch (& New Nuke Test)

[Gohron]

You romance Russia too fondly, you must remember they lost over 3 million at Stalingrad and how many more at Kiev? They had no air force left, their armor was in shambles, and their pending suspected threat from Japan had confused Stalin. Now had I been Hitler, I would have left Stalingrad alone, secured a line to the oil, and aided japan on a two front attack...just sayin...

Hah!

The Soviet military at the end of WWII was IMMENSELY powerful and some estimates show them as fielding up to 80,000 tanks at the end of the war. If anything, World War II made the Soviets more powerful, despite their losses suffered in the initial campaign and at Stalingrad.


The Soviet Union also fucked Japan up pretty good early in the war before the two signed a truce. Japan wanted nothing to do with the Soviet Union.

[Gohron]

Gohron, delete your post, stay out of the way.

Biff, stop, really. You've been making yourself more and more foolish throughout this thread. Don't you have work to be doing and bitches to be fucking?

[Othello Harrington]

Hah!

The Soviet military at the end of WWII was IMMENSELY powerful and some estimates show them as fielding up to 80,000 tanks at the end of the war. If anything, World War II made the Soviets more powerful, despite their losses suffered in the initial campaign and at Stalingrad.


The Soviet Union also fucked Japan up pretty good early in the war before the two signed a truce. Japan wanted nothing to do with the Soviet Union.

Hey assfuck, go look up world war II losses, then come back here and say you're sorry. The average german pilot outscore his soviet counterpart 13-1, armor was even worse.

[icarusfall]

This thread got hilarious.

[Yoshi]

I applaud his comedic value. If the USSR "fucked up" Japan, I'm not sure there is a word for what we did to them.

[haohmaru]

Again, this has nothing to do with who got the bomb first. Germany was defeated before we ever used a nuke and they may have very well been defeated before they were able to use their first nuke had the United States never started the research in the first place. This was the 1940's, even if Germany had been able to come up with a bomb sometime during the war, there wasn't the readily available materials to make a large quantity of nuclear weapons and the Soviets would've kept coming, despite the fact that if a division or two of their military was to succumb to a tactical nuclear attack.

The war was over for the Germans in 1942. Perhaps if they had nuclear weapons during this time, they MAY have been able to turn the tide but by 1944 and 1945 there was probably nothing that could've saved them.

You're completely missing my point, which was that the largest reason we were developing nuclear weapons was to develop them FIRST before Germany or anyone else and that's why three nations pumped tons of capital into the Manhattan Project. My point wasn't usage or what inevitably happened in history, it was to counterpoint Frog and Burg's contention that somehow Fusion reactor power is similar to developing an atomic bomb. It wasn't and isn't.

[burgundy]

You romance Russia too fondly, you must remember they lost over 3 million at Stalingrad and how many more at Kiev? They had no air force left, their armor was in shambles, and their pending suspected threat from Japan had confused Stalin. Now had I been Hitler, I would have left Stalingrad alone, secured a line to the oil, and aided japan on a two front attack...just sayin...

if i had been hitler, i would have finished off britain and then punched stalin right in his oil fields. but then i wouldn't be hitler, because hitler jerked off to the fantasy of a glorious headfirst battle with the savage slavs.

[haohmaru]

Hitler, like most powerful dictators, lost to his ego.

[Gohron]

Hey assfuck, go look up world war II losses, then come back here and say you're sorry. The average german pilot outscore his soviet counterpart 13-1, armor was even worse.

Maybe because the Soviets threw underequipped and undertrained men at the Germans in the beginning of the war to stall them as much as possible? Maybe because the Soviets had a far larger population than the Germans? Maybe because Stalin was more of a lunatic than Hitler? They still won, didn't they? They still had enough clout after the war to keep Europe and the United States scared, didn't they? If the SU was so weak at the end of World War II than how did the Cold War ever start?

[Gohron]

I applaud his comedic value. If the USSR "fucked up" Japan, I'm not sure there is a word for what we did to them.

The Soviets beat the Japanese bad enough in a single battle that the Japanese went nuts trying to get a cease-fire and later signed an agreement with the Soviets to prevent further hostilities. At the close of the war, the Soviet Union over a course of several days swept up several Japanese positions in Manchuria with little difficulty (which is the cause of this problem with North Korea today).

Sure, the US beat Japan up way worse but the Japanese never wanted any part of the Soviet military after that overwhelming battle in 1939.