Iran

[icarusfall]

I don't get it.

[Brisco Bold]

I don't think there's anything to get really.

[icarusfall]

Fair enough.

[Doc Holliday]

Biff was talking about something important with Iran yesterday. I couldn't understand what he was saying, but he sounded very passionate. I think it had to do with rap videos.

[kingoffighters]

and cheese

[CoconutKid2]

Hugs for Thugs! That's a neat sound bite. I wonder how it applies to the CIA's relationship with Augusto Pinochet -- let alone the Shah of Iran.
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In 2000, the US had an election result run through an esotric system. The big difference from the recent election in Iran is the US election results were digested by several levels of "councils of guardians" rather than being pronounced by a "supreme leader". And, of course, a large part of the continental population of the US did not mass itself in the District of Columbia to protest. The "after action report" shows that the wrong result was obtained.

The mistake in Iran was for the "in power" administration to declare ridiculously lop-sided results before it was physically possible to count non-automated ballots. To add to the comedy results, the Supreme Leader says, "The election results are correct because it is against the law to tamper with them." That man has not been in touch with the real world in years, perhaps never in his life. It's sad to say, but the Iranian people went into the streets to protest some very bad jokes.

The US always has to remember the false hope we raised in Hungary during the cold war.

I opine the better response of the outside world to the Revolutionary Theocracy in Iran would be to ridicule their stupidity (a'la late night TV) and to equate the Supreme Leader with the former Shah. The ultimate ridicule for the regime in Iran would be to state (quite accurately) the Islamic Revolution simply traded one kind of tyrant for another kind of tyrant.

Instead of isolating the county, simply treat them as amongst the world's collection of village idiots. They can't chew gum and count ballots at the same time.

Or so I think.

[PKBMax]

Why do people just believe media sob stories, and support people they know nothing about, without doing any research?

Two points to consider:
--The election might not have been rigged at all.
--Mousavi is a fucking terrorist who had a hand in planning the 1983 bombings of the US Embassy in Beruit, killing 60, and a Marine barracks, killing 220 Marines.

Here's a Washington Post Op-Ed where the authors detail an election
poll they executed 3 weeks before the election using "a polling
company whose work in the region for ABC News and the BBC has received an Emmy award" that showed "Ahmadinejad leading by a more than 2 to 1 margin -- greater than his actual apparent margin of victory in
Friday's election."

"Much commentary has portrayed Iranian youth and the Internet as
harbingers of change in this election. But our poll found that only a
third of Iranians even have access to the Internet, while
18-to-24-year-olds comprised the strongest voting bloc for Ahmadinejad
of all age groups."

Article:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...061401757.html

And here's an article from Time Magazine detailing Mousavi's past as
"Iran's Prime Minister during most of the 1980s, a time when the
country was waging a terrorist campaign against the U.S."

"Mousavi, Prime Minister from 1981 to 1989, almost certainly had a
hand in the planning of the Iranian-backed truck-bombing attacks on
the U.S. embassy in April 1983 and the Marine barracks in October of
that same year. Mousavi, as my Lebanese contact reminded me, dealt
directly with Imad Mughniyah, the man largely held responsible for
both attacks. (Mughniyah was assassinated in Damascus last year.) The
Lebanese said Mughniyah had told him over and over that he, Mughniyah,
got along well with Mousavi and trusted him completely."

"It was Mousavi who appointed Iran's ambassador to Damascus, Ali Akbar
Mohtashemi-pur, the Iranian caught red-handed planning the
Marine-barracks bombing. Mohtashemi-pur also coordinated the
hostage-taking in Lebanon. As a reward, Mousavi gave him the Interior
Ministry, where Mohtashemi-pur went on to crack down on what was left
of democracy in Iran."

"And it is not as if Mousavi kept his support for Iran's secret war on
the U.S. a secret. In a 1981 interview, he had this to say about the
taking of American diplomats in Tehran in 1979: "It was the beginning
of the second stage of our revolution. It was after that we discovered
our true Islamic identity." (Read "The Man Who Could Beat Ahmadinejad:
Mousavi Talks to TIME.")"

Article:
http://www.time.com/time/world/artic...905477,00.html

[sleeve]

Hugs for Thugs! That's a neat sound bite. I wonder how it applies to the CIA's relationship with Augusto Pinochet -- let alone the Shah of Iran.
-----------------------------------

In 2000, the US had an election result run through an esotric system. The big difference from the recent election in Iran is the US election results were digested by several levels of "councils of guardians" rather than being pronounced by a "supreme leader". And, of course, a large part of the continental population of the US did not mass itself in the District of Columbia to protest. The "after action report" shows that the wrong result was obtained.

The mistake in Iran was for the "in power" administration to declare ridiculously lop-sided results before it was physically possible to count non-automated ballots. To add to the comedy results, the Supreme Leader says, "The election results are correct because it is against the law to tamper with them." That man has not been in touch with the real world in years, perhaps never in his life. It's sad to say, but the Iranian people went into the streets to protest some very bad jokes.

The US always has to remember the false hope we raised in Hungary during the cold war.

I opine the better response of the outside world to the Revolutionary Theocracy in Iran would be to ridicule their stupidity (a'la late night TV) and to equate the Supreme Leader with the former Shah. The ultimate ridicule for the regime in Iran would be to state (quite accurately) the Islamic Revolution simply traded one kind of tyrant for another kind of tyrant.

Instead of isolating the county, simply treat them as amongst the world's collection of village idiots. They can't chew gum and count ballots at the same time.

Or so I think.

Whoever you are, you've singlehandedly salvaged this thread.

Carry on.

[icarusfall]

--Mousavi is a fucking terrorist who had a hand in planning the 1983 bombings of the US Embassy in Beruit, killing 60, and a Marine barracks, killing 220 Marines.

Sounds good to me.

[Doc Holliday]

Jesus PBMax? The connections to the terrorist acts are loose at best and what about all the good things Mousavi did? He was a shrewd businessman and innovator who re-engineered the Sauvignon Blanc making it more accessible to the palette, and with it, single handedly put Napa Valley on the map, after more than a century of vineyardry!