Why Is College Hella Wasteful?

[Joust Williams]

Probably not in Mississippi

[Fe 26]

Depends on the school? UCs are pretty fucking tough to get into - you have to be in the top 1/8th of California HS students. And even most of those kids don't end up at the top ones (Berkeley & LA). Most kids at UCLA have lots of AP classes, lots of honor classes, very high GPAs, etc.

There is a lot of competition to get into colleges for one of the most popular states in the country? I'm shocked.

Why not go out of state?



But you are admitting that those resources are being taken up by very high grade students right? Are the other 7/8s being taken up by rich douche bags like so many argued early on in this thread? And since it is so hard to get into those school, even with excellent marks, why are you advocating such a system? If those schools became free, they would let in even fewer students. Why advocate that?

[Yoshi]

There is a lot of competition to get into colleges for one of the most popular states in the country?

If a college let you in, maybe you are right that we have plenty of room.

[Fe 26]

I make mistakes sometimes, but hey, at least I don't hate minorities.

[Yoshi]

Minorities are people; therefore I hate a lot of them. Caucasians are people too, so I also hate a lot of them. Most people are worthless, regardless of race.

[Diff-chan]

But you are admitting that those resources are being taken up by very high grade students right? Are the other 7/8s being taken up by rich douche bags like so many argued early on in this thread? And since it is so hard to get into those school, even with excellent marks, why are you advocating such a system? If those schools became free, they would let in even fewer students. Why advocate that?

Speaking from experience, I think a school being filled with the best students is a good thing, for purposes of atmosphere, competitiveness, drive, etc. I wouldn't be where I am today were it not for that experience, being surrounded by people that were quite frankly much smarter than I, had it not been for my time at that particular university.

[Melf]

I could not disagree more. The sooner we separate these people and get them into vocational programs, the sooner our unemployment rate goes down. We don't need any more underwater basket weaving majors.

Let me rephrase that. By "dumb" I mean those people who don't necessarily have an A average (hence my anecdote), They should have the right to apply for college, but getting in and finishing are something else entirely. If they are applied, then they should be allowed the chance.

Basically, the point I was making is that dumb and lazy aren't necessarily the same thing.

[Drewbacca]

I don't consider pursuing higher learning to be on par with "a sport." It is a far more personal thing. It shouldn't be looked as a competition.

This is where you are 100% vehemently wrong. It is a competition thing, which is why I dumbed down the analogy with sports. It works the same way. There are only so many seats available to truly high-end gifted people to do their thing (aka the NFL). Those seats, like it or not, are properly reserved for people who are smart enough to know what they're doing. Education is prep for work. Real-world application. Do you really think just anyone can be a surgeon? Or working on the hadron collider? Or should be? The answer is no. They shouldn't be. You have to be able to do the work in order to have a spot there. You have all the opportunity you need to pursue this shit as you're growing up.

And you can go back and fulfill your dream if you really want to and have the resources. There are PLENTY of people in this world who already get by on being able to pay their way. So if people want to pay 1 million dollars to get in to Harvard and bypass the process the option is already open to them. How does this help your "elitist" view of the whole process, anyway? People with money get education while the rest of us get the scraps? No.

This is a dumb discussion. You don't have a pot to piss in. Whether you know it or not is the only thing up for debate.

Most people here have the opinion that they have because they feel that such a system would have benefited them while they were in school and now that they are out of school. They picture a magical ideal where they would have gotten free school and competition for their career would be eliminated.

Very few people ever get a full no-questions-asked tuition. Even the study nerds you speak of.

I am in college to fucking learn. Not compete with other people. I enrolled, I paid my fucking money, lets do some learn'n. Others are defending their interest in that they want less competition in the work force, or they want out of debt.

WRONG!

You are in school not to compete directly with other student, but to be competitive when you enter the job force in your chosen profession of interest. You do this through applying yourself and standing out with good marks (or ingenuity, but again most people who have that don't even go to school).

I want an environment focused on individual achievement and learning. Not an academic rat race. There is enough of that after you graduate.

Most schools and teachers are there to help you if you get stuck and aren't wasting their time. But because you measure your success (with grades) there will always be a competition between you and your class mates at the end of your tenure. Because when someone looks and see's you're a 66% and your friend is an 84% they will choose him. You are not just learning for the sake of learning. Unless of course you have an infinite amount of money to burn.

Like it or not this is the world we live in. And it's not going to change. So you need either adapt to it and learn or stew all of your life being cynical about things. Your choice.

I can't fucking stand a dirty line. In the middle of a big bump is one thing, but as soon as there's a break in the action you'd better be wiping shit down.

Jonas worked in a kitchen for several years. Most of my friends are blue collar guys (can't stand a lot of white collar bureaucrats) and their shit is the same. The good people follow protocol and get the job done well. The guys who don't bitch about it "What does it have to do with my job!" and don't do their job well. It shows you can manage yourself without falling off the rails.

[Rich]

Someone pay for me to go back to school pls. This job search thing isn't working out too well.

[Josh]

HEY CHEEKS. YOU TROLLIN, BRAH?

Because if so, you win the internet. If not you're just flat out straight up wrong.