Why Is College Hella Wasteful?

[Fe 26]

This is where you are 100% vehemently wrong. It is a competition thing,

you're a dick

which is why I dumbed down the analogy with sports. It works the same way. There are only so many seats available to truly high-end gifted people to do their thing (aka the NFL). Those seats, like it or not, are properly reserved for people who are smart enough to know what they're doing. Education is prep for work. Real-world application. Do you really think just anyone can be a surgeon? Or working on the hadron collider? Or should be? The answer is no. They shouldn't be. You have to be able to do the work in order to have a spot there.

Well, let them have their chance to try. Let them be admitted and enroll. If they can't hack it, they will fail out, give up, switch majors, something. You can't throw money at hard majors.

It shouldn't be up to you if they get a chance to try.

You have all the opportunity you need to pursue this shit as you're growing up.

lol, sure thing. Canadian high school must be pretty awesome.

[Fe 26]

If not you're just flat out straight up wrong.

about what?

I doubt many even know what I'm saying.

[Yoshi]

Someone pay for me to go back to school pls. This job search thing isn't working out too well.

What was your major?

[Yoshi]

I doubt many even know what I'm saying.

Well, he's right about one thing.

The sad thing is that he is right about free schooling in Europe being bad, but his arguments to support that opinion all go to shit quickly.

[Drewbacca]

Well, let them have their chance to try. Let them be admitted and enroll. If they can't hack it, they will fail out, give up, switch majors, something. You can't throw money at hard majors.

It shouldn't be up to you if they get a chance to try.

The problem with your line of thinking, and why your argument is so head-in-the-clouds idiotic is because there are only a limited number of seats in a classroom. So not everybody can actually take the curriculum needed. Every year a new batch of kids come knocking at the door, too. This is why not everybody can have a chance. Depending on your desired course there are viable alternatives in the form of distance education online and less desirable schools (which, previously mentioned, already give you the same basic skill set anyway).

The only criteria that schools have in order to determine who gets in is by looking at their past history of effort and success. Everything in life is an investment, and their more likely to see a return on investment from a successful student who goes on to graduate and lands a half decent job than someone who enters the course and slums it along. It isn't a competition because someone thought that would be swell. It's a competition because only a certain number of slots can be available. Why this somehow means everyone in the world is being a dick to you is such a bizarre response.

lol, sure thing. Canadian high school must be pretty awesome.

Canadian high school is much more based on projects than testing compared to American schools (although we do take exams at the end of the year, and periodical testing throughout the semester). There are "spot" tests and things of this nature, but emphasis isn't place on them very much. More emphasis is placed on classroom work and being able to understand the material (such as you being able to respond properly to a question when the teacher throws one at you on the fly during a lecture).

[Fe 26]

Well, he's right about one thing.

The sad thing is that he is right about free schooling in Europe being bad, but his arguments to support that opinion all go to shit quickly.

I just don't like the idea of fewer Americans being able to get into college. I don't give a shit if more people in school makes Razor's Journalism degree mean less.

And a free college system that is paid for by the government would mean fewer people in college. There would be less money going in, which equals fewer resources. Fewer resources either means shittier education or fewer people will get education.

And I don't want either.


The problem in this thread when a lot of people wanted to argue with me about it being awesome possum to raise the requirements to be educated. Some think that is swell and great. I don't.

I want the most people possible to be able to seek higher education. I want the most educated America that I can get.


Everyone insist I'm wrong for wanting that, but whatever. Half of you prove KRUGER/DUNNING right on a daily basis.

[Fe 26]

The problem with your line of thinking, and why your argument is so head-in-the-clouds idiotic is because there are only a limited number of seats in a classroom.

I don't live in that world. My college increases its enrollment by 3000 students every year. They just add more classes and get more grad students to teach them. If they don't have enough seats, they change the time or use a different building.

I guess what you are saying is true for public high schools. But my college just expands to deal with the growing need. Maybe expansion is a problem for older bigger schools that are in the middle of cities, but it isn't really a problem here. Our college administration would like nothing more than to expand indefinitely.


What you are saying is most diffidently true for a free college system. And that is why I don't like it. The argument arises from most of you insisting that all paid for colleges are the same. Which is not the case. A lot of colleges can expand, want to expand, and know how to expand. They have not hit their "only a limited number of seats" yet.

EDIT: and even acknowledging that some of America's best colleges already have a limited amount of seats, changes nothing about my opinion. If they lost a money source, resources would go down, and they would probably adopt even stricter admissions standards. It would go from 10k students to 6 or 7 k, hypothetically.

I won't support fewer Americans receiving education if they want it.

[Drewbacca]

I don't live in that world. My college increases its enrollment by 3000 students every year. They just add more classes and get more grad students to teach them. If they don't have enough seats, they change the time or use a different building.

I guarantee you that 3000 figure is 100% horseshit. No school can accommodate a 3000 surplus of students YEAR OVER YEAR. But even if they could, magically, the problem still remains about only a certain number of seats being available to students in select courses. If your town did get a huge boom in its economy in the form of a population surplus. For every 3000 students that apply there could be 5000 that can't get in. The problem persists regardless of number. The scale is the only thing that increases.

You're clearly not listening to anything anybody is saying.

I won't support fewer Americans receiving education if they want it.

No one here is denying Americans anything they want. They are telling them in order to get it they have to work hard. That is the backbone of American culture. I am Canadian and I seem to know more about this than you do.

[Fe 26]

I guarantee you that 3000 figure is 100% horseshit.

They keep bragging about it. And it was in the paper. I guess they could be lying. I guess I should take a head count.

the problem still remains about only a certain number of seats being available to students in select courses. If your town did get a huge boom in its economy in the form of a population surplus. For every 3000 students that apply there could be 5000 that can't get in. The problem persists regardless of number. The scale is the only thing that increases.

How do you know this? You keep saying it. Is this one of those "common knowledge" things? People "just" know this?

Do you actually have anything backing up this belief?

You keep stating it as a fact, but no one has backed it up.


And as i said in my last post. It is irrelevant. Some or all colleges being selective today does not make it ok to make them more selective tomorrow.

I do not support making it harder for people to get into college. Agreeing on how hard that process is right now, will not change my fundamental belief that it should be made as easy as possible to get into an institution that provides education and improvement.

The argument that "it is already hard, so it is ok to make it harder" doesn't hold any water with me.

No one here is denying Americans anything they want. They are telling them in order to get it they have to work hard.

Well, I think that process is hard enough as it is. Some feel otherwise. Their feelings won't change mine.

[Razor Ramon]

It's pretty easy. People in my high school who passed with a D average were still able to attend college.