Fuck Ebert

[James]

The debate is over, Ebert backed off from his position saying he doesn't know enough about gaming to have a valid opinion. Which is the only reasonable view available to him, seeing as he has zero interest in experiencing the subject.

James

[YellerDog]

He's more or less an invalid these days, right? Why should he start getting into Nintendo tapes now?

[A Robot Bit Me]

He acknowledged that he was never going to in the essay James is referring to, in which he also admitted that he struggles to define art himself.

Anyway who cares. Some games are good and most are bad. I don't care which are art.

[stormy]

only if you convey an idea or elicit a particular response

What do think a boner is?

[Diff-chan]

The debate is over, Ebert backed off from his position saying he doesn't know enough about gaming to have a valid opinion. Which is the only reasonable view available to him, seeing as he has zero interest in experiencing the subject.

James

I think Ebert is more right than all the fags, retards, and chans who criticized him across the internets. For example, post #26 in this thread.

[James]

While I agree that the "games are art" crowd can be a little overzealous sometimes, Ebert's view was that games have never been and will never be art, because they simply can't be. It was a pure digital viewpoint, with no wiggle room to be part right or part wrong. Therefore he was completely wrong.

James

[rezo]

Or maybe he was right forever.

[Diff-chan]

While I agree that the "games are art" crowd can be a little overzealous sometimes

Understatement of the century. I am convinced most of these people are so worked up over making sure their stupid little hobby is validated that they don't actually care how good (based on traditional metrics) a game is - the primary importance in judging a game is how "artsy" they can pretend it is.

Ebert's view was that games have never been and will never be art, because they simply can't be. It was a pure digital viewpoint, with no wiggle room to be part right or part wrong. Therefore he was completely wrong.

The thing that makes an absolute argument wrong is an example which proves it wrong, not the mere fact that it is an absolute argument. And flower is pretty weak on that front IMO (and he even brought that game up, etc.).

[Fe 26]

Understatement of the century. I am convinced most of these people are so worked up over making sure their stupid little hobby is validated that they don't actually care how good (based on traditional metrics) a game is - the primary importance in judging a game is how "artsy" they can pretend it is.

maybe you're equally gay and need to stop worrying about what nerds on the web say on forums?

[James]

No. No no no no no. No. I'm going to say "there are games that have been art" but no way in hell am I getting into a discussion as to which ones everyone can agree are art.

James