The real joke is on the venture capitalists and corporations who fund MLG.
You can't compare it to the early days of the NFL. MLG have no clear revenue streams whatsoever, all they can do is produce content that no one will want to pay for
They make huge money off it and it's relatively cheap and highly effective advertising.
I mean, say what you want, but when was the last time one of your ideas made you a millionaire? Hell, people said the same shit about UFC when it was starting up, but I bet Dana White is pretty stoked that he didn't listen to people like you.
Ya Skunt
Football is different than running WoW instances, if only because it is a sport that's easily commercialized and spectated. You can build stadiums around football, generate thousands of jobs to running them and the league, and make millions upon millions by charging people to come and see them play the game live.
There are any hundreds or thousands of WoW instances at play, and any players worth a damn are hidden behind their avatars (and prefer it that way.)
And what I meant before about the game's design not revolving around the drive to get to #1, that's in direct contrast to things like Football and Boxing, games designed around a tournament style, race to the top structure. That same competitive structure as applied to WoW is strictly invented on the fan and playerbase side. From the designer's side, the design of the game is to have 10 or 25 people coordinate their efforts and solve a group puzzle in a set amount of time and have enough math on their side to do it efficiently. It's a need of the human condition to turn a pasttime into a sport if it isn't one, no matter how little sense it makes to do so. Football and other athletic sports were designed from the ground up to be spectated and goal oriented.
How do they make money? Go ahead, answer.Originally Posted by Opaque
Literally the same way the people who fund and run the World Series of Poker make money. Prizes come out of entry fees with the them taking some off the top for themselves, it's also a place where people who are viewing the competition or results are bombarded by advertisements which they get money to display.
If you mean the people who are advertising, well I suppose you don't understand how commercials on TV or ads in magazines make money either? It's ok, I remember the first time someone told me "you have to spend money to make money" too.
Last edited by Opaque; 16 Feb 2011 at 03:08 PM.
Wu-Tang is for the children!
Opaque, the difference is and I'm not sure if gridiron is different, in all levels of Rugby people will train and play about the same amount. 1 game a week, 2 nights of training. The difference between the professional league and the amateur local teams is skill and fitness.
What I am saying; WoW is easy, there is barely any difference in the skill between the top end and low end of raiding, we are like top 5000 in the world at best, and we have two rogues that are equally as good, if not better from what I've seen, than a top rogue in the 2nd best US guild. The reason his guild has cleared all content and their guild has not cleared one heroic boss; is mainly due to logistics; i.e. having lots of people with many different alts that are geared so you can create the perfect class composition for every encounter, or even stack an encounter; and raiding 70+ hours a week vs raiding 10 hours a week.
Competitive PvE WoW is a race to the bottom, rather than a race to the top.
Quick zephyrs blow, vexing daft Jim.
WRONG. The truth is that they don't make money. Sure, they might buy a profitable website here and there and promptly run it into the ground but they have been relying on venture capital for about six or seven years, they just finished their fifth round of private funding (generously donated by Legion Enterprises, an investment group run by an MLG co-founder and former CEO). But how long can you continue to promise VCs a return on investment while stringing them along and taking their millions? 8 years? 9 years? a decade? The clock is running out. If they don't get a lucrative TV deal soon, MLG is fucked and good riddance. Those millionaires you admire? Back to their day jobs
Wu-Tang is for the children!
And by "race to the bottom", by bottom I mean cellar, as in your mum's cellar.
Quick zephyrs blow, vexing daft Jim.
Hostages? **** em'
I love this thread right now.
People who play in recreational leagues do not put nearly the effort into their game that professionals do. Obviously you need skill and natural ability to play in the NFL but each team has different training regiments and schedules and some players like Peyton Manning for example are said to spend almost 20 addition and hours just studying tapes and going over strategy before big games.
Him puting all that extra time into pulling out a win isn't something people who talk down on, so why would anyone give shit to a guild that's willing to work more to get a world first kill? Especially if they enjoy doing it.
I do agree that the time put in helped a lot, but you're nuts if you think time is the only factor. If time was the only factor then what is the explanation for how long it took some guilds to kill Algalon after they unlocked him? You only had an hour, so there was no spending more time on him than anyone else, yet Ensidia killed him two weeks after they unlocked him and on some servers he sat undefeated after being unlocked for months.
Also, my old guild raids two days a week right now and they're 240th in the world and 70th in the US, you really want to tell me that them playing for 8 hours is SIGNIFICANTLY more time than you guys are raiding? It's probably the same amount of time, so there must be a skill difference somewhere.
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