World of Warcraft: Cataclysm

**Vlos** · 10 Oct 2010, 04:00 PM

Yogg could probably be done fast enough to offset people looking at a skull like retards once or twice at this point in the game. The only way you'd wipe over and over is if people just straight ignored the fight mechanics.

LK on the other hand, people will probably still not even bother with regular Arthas in PUGs. I'm also pretty sure they're not changing the mount drops to a chance until after Cata hits, I don't think they wanna punish guilds that finally got HMLK25 by getting rid of the only reason to do him after the first time.

**Opaque** · 10 Oct 2010, 04:07 PM

Illidan and Sunwell had no sanity mechanics and no places where your mistake, without exception, killed everyone else.

Also in BC 3.0 nerfed boss health and damage. In ICC the zone buff was that solution, the dps changes in 4.0 will not be paired with boss changes. I'm sure guilds stuck on LK but already 11/12 will be able to eak out the kill, yeah. Guilds that are Yogg+1 and working on Alone in the Darkness might have the DPS buffer they need. But if Trailsword thinks he'll see either of those fights dead before Cata he's dreaming.

**George** · 10 Oct 2010, 04:09 PM

Yes, I was being a bit facetious about Yogg 0 and H LK. But it's cool to see you feel like your high horse is threatened already

For an all-RF group that has tried a few encounters like that before, I know we could easily, easily do Yogg 0 with the 4.0 changes. I can't really say we tried LK enough to say whether or not we could do him on 10 heroic. We very nearly got him on normal as a guild, our execution problems were strictly that of those who had not done the encounter enough times to have it be second nature. If we tried at it remotely as hard as we tried at Ulduar/Argent Tournament 10 man achievements, I think we could do it.

**Opaque** · 10 Oct 2010, 04:10 PM

Originally Posted by Vlos

Yogg could probably be done fast enough to offset people looking at a skull like retards once or twice at this point in the game. The only way you'd wipe over and over is if people just straight ignored the fight mechanics.

My old guild has people in the top 10 of EVERY SINGLE HM ICC FIGHT in terms of DPS. When we did Yogg+0 there were still two brain phases and about a minute plus of the final phase. You are talking the top 2 rated Fury Warriors in the WORLD doing 13k DPS on the brain and it still takes two, which means people can still not come out in time.

Originally Posted by TrialSword

Yes, I was being a bit facetious about Yogg 0 and H LK. But it's cool to see you feel like your high horse is threatened already

Not threatened, I just think you're all nuts if you think these fights work some way that brute force will defeat them.

For an all-RF group that has tried a few encounters like that before, I know we could easily, easily do Yogg 0 with the 4.0 changes.

I could do 13k on any tank and spank fight in Ulduar before I quite. I was NINTH on my guilds DPS and Yogg+0 still took us eight minutes and had points that one person messing up would kill us. Can you honestly tell me that in 4.0 you will have a group that does DPS like that? If the answer is yes, tehn good luck, I'll congratulate you guys on your kill when you get it. As a side note Yogg+0 is about a million times harder than LK in ten man gear, just sayin.

**George** · 10 Oct 2010, 04:13 PM

You have no idea how thrilling it is just to say a few hyperbolic statements and watch you sweat profusely at what's impossible for the "Raiding Proletariat."

FYI, a level 80 in Beta with the 4.0 mechanics against WotLK raid bosses is doing something close to 20k+ DPS, or more. They're taking away the ICC buff because it can break that easily. 80% crit rates being thrown around like candy.