Stop Online Piracy Act

[Thief Silver]

But, there was a cable about it threatening them to be put on our trading blacklist thing that was apparently also used against I think Denmark or Sweden? I forget; didn't I post that article here?

Seriously though, is there any reason to believe America is behind these sort of things? Even if a cable states something along those lines, it doesn't really seem worth it.

And worse; if it was worth it, that'd mean that lobbyists for things like the MPAA have enough power to coerce someone into interfering with other countries legislature just to protect their interests.

[bVork]

And this is why some people argue that piracy is the ethical thing to do: corporations (many of which made significant amounts of money from public domain works - read up on Disney and the production of The Jungle Book for an example) have basically ended the passage of works from copyright into the public domain. Copyright is thus no longer a limited opportunity to exploit a new work before it becomes the common property of all, but perpetual and eternal ownership of a creative work. Corporations have thus chosen to enrich themselves at the direct expense of the public, and therefore it is ethical to ignore copyright law in order to redress this gross discrepancy.

[bbobb]

You'd be surprised how little people under 25 know about ww2 in germany. A lot of them either don't know about the holocaust or think it was small and isolated. bbobb can tell you more about what the average japanese person knows about ww2.

They know they were the victims of WW2 because they had nuclear bombs dropped on them.

That's about it.

[Vasteel]

And this is why some people argue that piracy is the ethical thing to do: corporations (many of which made significant amounts of money from public domain works - read up on Disney and the production of The Jungle Book for an example) have basically ended the passage of works from copyright into the public domain. Copyright is thus no longer a limited opportunity to exploit a new work before it becomes the common property of all, but perpetual and eternal ownership of a creative work. Corporations have thus chosen to enrich themselves at the direct expense of the public, and therefore it is ethical to ignore copyright law in order to redress this gross discrepancy.

Exactly. Don't give these dicklickers a dime.

[Diff-chan]

And this is why some people argue that piracy is the ethical thing to do: corporations (many of which made significant amounts of money from public domain works - read up on Disney and the production of The Jungle Book for an example) have basically ended the passage of works from copyright into the public domain. Copyright is thus no longer a limited opportunity to exploit a new work before it becomes the common property of all, but perpetual and eternal ownership of a creative work. Corporations have thus chosen to enrich themselves at the direct expense of the public, and therefore it is ethical to ignore copyright law in order to redress this gross discrepancy.

This is a dumb argument unless you're not pirating anything made after, I don't know, 1975.

Opponents have a few years to get ready before Congress starts talking up extensions again (2019 is the deadline now).

They know they were the victims of WW2 because they had nuclear bombs dropped on them.

That sounds just like Lost Cause southerners who have concocted a fairy tale that turns them into the real victims of the Civil War.

oh god what I have done.

[kedawa]

But, there was a cable about it threatening them to be put on our trading blacklist thing that was apparently also used against I think Denmark or Sweden? I forget; didn't I post that article here?

Canada has been on that list forever and nobody here gives a fuck.

[Anthony]

Argument

I'm confused as to your whole argument here. Are you saying that German people are unaware of the atrocities committed by nazis in WW2, or they are unable to promote Nazism to a degree which bothers your belief in free speech? You are acting like Germany is akin to Japan, which DOES censor much of it's atrocities. I haven't seen much of a parallel at all from the German people as far as atrocities are concerned, just the Nazi propoganda. If anything, they seem very open and very embarrassed about what happened, and these bans are to some degree an apology and self inflicted punishment for what had happened, similar to how Japan maintains article 9 in their constitution. I would bet that the Germans can read an analysis of Hitler's book at a local library.

My friends in question are about 22-29 Austrian and Germans. They have all been to college in some fashion though.

[Frogacuda]

This is a dumb argument unless you're not pirating anything made after, I don't know, 1975.

I don't think that's the argument, I think it's more like "They're a bunch of scumbags, so fuck 'em." Which is sometimes true, but not really sound ethical reasoning.

Opponents have a few years to get ready before Congress starts talking up extensions again (2019 is the deadline now).

There will never be anyone to lobby for relaxing copyright. The benefits are many, but they're cultural, not commercial. I don't know how we fix this. It's a real problem.

[Fe 26]

That's irrelevant.

Not if we give the copyright to them, and then they don't authorize anyone to print new copies.

[Fe 26]

I'm confused as to your whole argument here. Are you saying that German people are unaware of the atrocities committed by nazis in WW2

No, at least not all of them. Just ones that have lived their entire lives under the bans. Most of the women I know from germany knew little about it. They've heard the words, but act surprised when confronted with facts or details. The exceptions were people that used the internet to educate themselves like reading US wiki articles and stuff.

Some of the young men directly commented on it. About how people don't really talk about it much in Germany, but the US makes all kinds of movies and games about it. That Americans knew more about being Nazi's than the average German.