Reply With QuoteThe best part is that the delay is for online features and people didn't answer the console survey. Fuck off!
This shit keeps getting better.
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Maybe they'll tighten up the graphics on level 2. More likely they'll do dick and miss Destiny and MGSV slaughtering them at retail while backers wait.
The best part is that the delay is for online features and people didn't answer the console survey. Fuck off!
Doesn't bother me, except that they straight-up lied about it when Red Ash still had two days left and rumors were flying. They failed anyway, so whatever, but still, shitty move.
Seems like a long delay just for bugfixing and polish on a game like this.
The lie is what bothers me. Red Ash was crashing and burning hard, not like they were going for any good will there.
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It's amazing how fast this company burned all its goodwill.
Just don't kickstart projects.
Don't Kickstart any money you're not willing to lose or write-off, anyway.
There are a lot of good games that have come from KS and wouldn't have been made any other way, including some that are very special to me. In that regard, the money I've put into KS has paid dividends. But certainly not every time. It's a an investment, with all the risk that term implies. If you're a smart investor, you'll make more good bets than bad and come out on top, but you're not going to win on every one.
No, it's not, because risk can be positive or negative. It's simply an unknown. There is no upside with Kickstarter. The best case is breaking even.Originally Posted by Frogacuda
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All those games you took a risk on, I can buy today, for the same price or cheaper.
It's not an investment because you're not getting any of the upside. At best you get what you put in.
I disagree. To a person backing a Kickstarter, the end product can be worth far more than the investment. To me, something like a new Tex Murphy, for example, something I waited 15 years for, which was absolutely, utterly impossible and not going to happen any other way... That's worth a lot more to me than the $20 entry fee. That's something that is genuinely special to me, a cliffhanger that has bothered me for a long time, and one of my favorite old-school game series. And the resulting game turned out exactly how it should have been and I got a lot out of it. And it wouldn't have happened if nobody backed. Every penny I put into that campaign came back to me tenfold in what I got out of it.
So if you're backing stuff that's genuinely important to you, the potential reward is great. If you're just using it as a way to preorder games that are barely worth the asking price, then that's a different equation. Of course, all of this assumes that KS is the only way these games would happen, and shit like what Comcept pulled with Red Ash cast that into doubt, but I think in many cases it's still clearly true. We weren't going to get a new Shenmue, a new Tex Murphy, a point and click game from Double Fine, or a new Neverhood any other way, and those are worth a lot to me. A lot more than what I put in.
But you couldn't if nobody backed them. The value is the fact that the game exists at all (or at least that it has the budget and production values it does), not that I personally have a copy.
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The upside is that the game got made, and that it had the budget they needed to do as much as they could. If that isn't "valuable" to you, then you shouldn't back a KS, but that is the value people are paying for when they back on KS, and it's important to them.
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