Star Wars: Episode VII

[Shin Johnpv]

Leave it to TNL to shit on having and upholding standards.

edit: Also, I swear I was aware of that rule before the prequels, so I don't think that's where it started.

Standards with a purpose are worth upholding. The not being involved in a relationship, not having sex thing is a standard not worth upholding. It's a stupid doctrine that goes against human/probably any sentient species nature. It's not like fucking makes them less sensitive to the force. It's a silly rule not worth keeping or upholding.

[Yoshi]

That logic or lack thereof worked well for Vader. I guarantee you there are jobs in the real world (other than the obvious like Monks and Nuns) that require similar commitments to avoid any exploitable weakness. It's hardly stupid, even if it doesn't fit into the worthless-at-best "if it feels good do it" view of the world.

Outlawing murder is likely "a stupid doctrine that goes against human/probably any sentient species nature" based on overwhelming evidence too, right? To be less provocative, how is the doctrine any different than monogamy? That's also a seemingly arbitrary rule that is likely against human nature.

edit: Some people actually have discipline and self control, and I would think that's the pool you'd want to pick from to train people to use mind control and plasma swords.

[ElCapichan]

But if it wasn't against the Jedi doctrine, and the other Jedi were supportive and able to help, he wouldn't have needed to keep it a secret and felt like he was the only one who could protect her. Also, Anakin's pride and liust for power was his downfall, not his relationship.

While it is not canon, anymore, it used to be, and Luke does get married and have a child in the old EU. So there ya go.

[Yoshi]

But if it wasn't against the Jedi doctrine, and the other Jedi were supportive and able to help, he wouldn't have needed to keep it a secret and felt like he was the only one who could protect her.

Is this some "it takes a village" bullshit? He should have manned up and fulfilled his responsibilities.

Also, Anakin's pride and liust for power was his downfall, not his relationship.

He clearly had multiple flaws, but his arrogance with regard to protecting Padme was the most direct driver of his lust for power.

While it is not canon, anymore, it used to be, and Luke does get married and have a child in the old EU. So there ya go.

GTFO with citing EU garbage but discounting the prequels for story purposes. That said, I would be less irritated if Luke fucked up than if Obi Wan did, and that's the other internet speculation. Luke has been a fairly useless sack all along, so it wouldn't be as out of character. With Hayden-Vader and Kylo also taken into account, I guess being an irresponsible douche is in the Skywalker genes.

[Shin Johnpv]

That logic or lack thereof worked well for Vader. I guarantee you there are jobs in the real world (other than the obvious like Monks and Nuns) that require similar commitments to avoid any exploitable weakness. It's hardly stupid, even if it doesn't fit into the worthless-at-best "if it feels good do it" view of the world.

Outlawing murder is likely "a stupid doctrine that goes against human/probably any sentient species nature" based on overwhelming evidence too, right? To be less provocative, how is the doctrine any different than monogamy? That's also a seemingly arbitrary rule that is likely against human nature.

edit: Some people actually have discipline and self control, and I would think that's the pool you'd want to pick from to train people to use mind control and plasma swords.

You make the worst possible arguments. Comparing having a relationship to murder, are you for real man? The need for companionship and to procreate is a basic need/desire of pretty much all living things. The need to kill isn't. Discipline and self control can be attained without denying oneself the basic emotional need of being loved, and companionship. I also don't know where your feel good do it view of the world shit is coming in, it's not mentioned once here.

And yeah I'll full agree with ElCapichan, Anakin's fall was do to his lust for power and his fears/pride. He didn't become Darth Vader cause he got his dick wet a bunch of times.

I also disagree with his protecting Padme being the most direct driver for his lust for power. Before he starts a relationship with Padme he's already shown to be arrogant and having a giant ego. Regardless if Padme had come into the picture or not, it would have been easy for Palpatine to seduce him. He was primed and ready for it from just who he was. If the saving Padme path hadn't of been there, Palpatine would have found another way to seduce him.

Anakin was a kid that grew a slave and lusted for nothing more than power and control. Which is understandable due to him growing up a fucking slave.

[ElCapichan]

It takes a village? Not really what I was getting at, but if he didn't have to hide his relationship from the pretentious Jedi council, things could have worked out better. And if Lucas could have made it more convincing that Anakain and Padme had a legit thing going on, then sure, but that love story was just about the most egregious part of those movies. Even before there relationship sparked, you could see Anakin was on the path to the darkside. The whole Padme thing was the just the cherry on top. Lastly, whether you liked it or not, the EU was canon, even when the prequels were made. I don't give a shit about the old EU, but you were claiming that if Luke had gotten married and had a kid that it would be against everything that we learned about the Jedi in the prequels. Luke got his dick wet and knocked somebody up. Deal with it, and the fact that they just might go that route in these new movies.

[Fe 26]

Oh to be in Yoshi's head and watch his antisex interpretation of the trilogy play out.

[YellerDog]

I can never tell if Yoshi actually likes Star Wars or just thinks the Imperial March is a really cool song.

[Yoshi]

You make the worst possible arguments. Comparing having a relationship to murder, are you for real man? The need for companionship and to procreate is a basic need/desire of pretty much all living things. The need to kill isn't.

My point was that a fairly significant amount of people act on the need to kill... something, and I also added an advertised a more direct comparison, which you of course ignored.

Discipline and self control can be attained without denying oneself the basic emotional need of being loved, and companionship.

Agreed, but, as I stated, there are jobs where it is a requirement, and Jedi is one of those for good a good reason.

I also don't know where your feel good do it view of the world shit is coming in, it's not mentioned once here.

No, more than that:

Luke's the only Jedi left, so who's going to tell on him if he decides to get his dick wet? No one, that's who.

Luke helped save the Galaxy. I'm sure he was swimming in poon for 30 years.

Hand wave..."I am the Mister Right Now you're looking for..."

And yeah I'll full agree with ElCapichan, Anakin's fall was do to his lust for power and his fears/pride. He didn't become Darth Vader cause he got his dick wet a bunch of times.

I also disagree with his protecting Padme being the most direct driver for his lust for power. Before he starts a relationship with Padme he's already shown to be arrogant and having a giant ego. Regardless if Padme had come into the picture or not, it would have been easy for Palpatine to seduce him. He was primed and ready for it from just who he was. If the saving Padme path hadn't of been there, Palpatine would have found another way to seduce him.

I agree there would have been another path, but the fact that Palpatine took that one is demonstrative that it was the most direct.

[Yoshi]

I don't give a shit about the old EU, but you were claiming that if Luke had gotten married and had a kid that it would be against everything that we learned about the Jedi in the prequels.

No, that's not what I said. I said it would be bullshit writing, which it was, like most of the EU as far as I can tell. Sure it could happen, but it sure would demonstrate a distinct lack of creativity to fall back on it.

edit: I guess it could be used as some demonstration of character flaws that still exist with Luke, similar to how people have defended Kylo's in terms of story. I don't feel that's at all necessary though. Luke had enough in the original trilogy.