2013 NFL Season.

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Marshall was certainly a huge racist. He had them play Dixie before every game. His educational foundation was explicitly anti-integration. He refused to sign a black player until the federal government threatened to take away their cozy stadium lease, years after other teams were signing them.

But whatever. He's not the owner anymore. I'm just saying that is the Redskins' past. It is what it is. Why keep something around that makes people keep digging this stuff up again.

The team has lots of white fans. It's not a democracy obviously - Snyder's the owner, it's his decision. But I don't think their opinion on this matter should be dismissed that simply. If I were running a franchise, I would want to minimize distractions and also things that may make people talk about things other than the on-field product. But then again it is Snyder we are talking about.

[Advocate]

If the Redskins name gets changed. Change the Cleveland Indian logo, drop the Blackhawks name, change the Raider, Buccaneer, Viking, and 49er name.

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Old topics are new again. It's the same thing as the Indians, which living in Cleveland means I've heard about my entire life. Since the Redskins are the same issue it usually comes up at the same time, but I can attest to the discussion being at least 20 years old.

Indians isn't a slur, but that mascot and logo - wow. That gotta go.

[Error]

but as far as I'm concerned the majority overules the minority

Do you realize how stupid that sounds when it comes to a minority rights issue? THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT. It doesn't matter if you find it offensive, or if the majority doesn't find it offensive. Some people do. Some people who are of that minority do. A chunk of that population larger than a few does. So the fact that your half native physical therapist doesn't find it offensive really doesn't matter, he's not a big enough sample size.

[Type Ryan]

LOL at Wikipedia. All I'm reading is a white man's interpretation of a word created by Indians.

[Type Ryan]

Do you realize how stupid that sounds when it comes to a minority rights issue? THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT. It doesn't matter if you find it offensive, or if the majority doesn't find it offensive. Some people do. Some people who are of that minority do. A chunk of that population larger than a few does. So the fact that your half native physical therapist doesn't find it offensive really doesn't matter, he's not a big enough sample size.

I don't think you understand me. If the majority of INDIANS want the name changed, I'm all for it. Their opinion is the only one that counts. But if the majority don't, then it's a dead issue. Majority rules in this country. Move on. Apparently, the majority of WHITE people are trying to force an issue that the MAJORITY of INDIANS don't give a shit about. That's why I'm so annoyed.

But I am in agreement about the sample size, which is why I'd love to see a current survey (not one from 10 years ago) from American Indians regadring this issue.

[Type Ryan]

Error, another example. I'm not Latino, but that term is used to describe Hispanics (which is what I am). I find it offensive. However, I'm in the minority of people who find the word Latino offensive. As a part of the minority who feel this way, I just deal with it because the majority rules. That's the way it goes. Being a special snowflake can only take things so far. You can't please everybody.

[Diff-chan]

"American Indians" is not a monolithic block, which is the problem. Some may find it offensive, some may not. It is cultural, it may be based on the history of their people, etc. It really does depend. So running out a survey of all American Indians and compiling the responses wouldn't tell the story you may want it to.

[Diff-chan]

I feel like the NCAA had the right idea when they forced teams to change their names unless the local tribes the teams referred to (like the Seminoles) were okay with it. But even then there were issues, like minority Seminole groups not being okay with it.

But then again, the 'redskins' term does not apply to a specific tribe.

[Type Ryan]

"American Indians" is not a monolithic block, which is the problem. Some may find it offensive, some may not. It is cultural, it may be based on the history of their people, etc. It really does depend. So running out a survey of all American Indians and compiling the responses wouldn't tell the story you may want it to.

I don't know. Survey results can be tied to the questions asked. Ask the right questions and you should be able to get a clear picture.

I feel like the NCAA had the right idea when they forced teams to change their names unless the local tribes the teams referred to (like the Seminoles) were okay with it. But even then there were issues, like minority Seminole groups not being okay with it.

But then again, the 'redskins' term does not apply to a specific tribe.

I've thought about that, too. However, there are a few tribes in the area so picking a tribe could be tough. Although, the Fighting Sioux could be cool if they wanted to honor their first head coach.