The World is Shit; It's Fucking Shit

[MechDeus]

My only point was maybe there's a way to satiate hunger with better dietary choices. Maybe not, but that's the discussion here.

The issue is with people who are already addicted and already have problems. Fulfilling the body's desires with better dietary choices works for people who don't have a problem in the first place and can also work long term, the trouble is getting to that where that long term change has kicked in.

The biggest claim against this method isn't the addiction, it's that regular food doesn't satiate hunger in the same way that processed food does.

It's both. They're addicted and that addiction partially stems from their long term diet. Even just a taste can put the body into a state of intense cravings (this is why almost anyone who's ever successful at kicking any addiction never goes back for just one more drink or whatever), and in our society heavily processed foods are everywhere and in everything.

I'd argue that addiction just raises the stakes. For example, it's even more important for an alcoholic to avoid situations where temptation could be overwhelming and even more important for him to not take the first sip. I don't see how junk food would be any different in that context, other than it's harder to avoid.

It's harder to avoid in every context. You basically have to turn into a complete asshole, since things like social gatherings, work meetings, holiday gifts, and so on tend to include only shitty food instead of legitimately healthy things. Alcoholics and drug users have to cut out old friends to avoid using, but everyone eats. That's not something you can get away from.

[Diff-chan]

I'd argue that addiction just raises the stakes. For example, it's even more important for an alcoholic to avoid situations where temptation could be overwhelming and even more important for him to not take the first sip. I don't see how junk food would be any different in that context, other than it's harder to avoid.

This is true, but how does one go about their day without encountering temptations for junk food?

That's really why this is such a problem IMO. They need to eat and that food is literally everywhere.

[Yoshi]

It likely is one of the hardest forms of addiction because of the ready availability, but it's still on the individual to consistently make the right choices. I think I would carry healthy alternatives with me at all times if I had that addiction. Smell pizza; eat some almonds or whatever.

You basically have to turn into a complete asshole

Check! What's the next step?

[MechDeus]

Telling everyone you're a vegan regardless of what's going on at the time.

[Yoshi]

lol That one's going to be harder for me, unless lying counts.

[icarusfall]

It does with vegans.

[kedawa]

"Regular food doesn't satisfy me! I must have satisfaction or I'll die!"

[Drewbacca]

Yeah I guess I'd like to see a study more about foods that satiate. Protein is nutrient dense, so my natural assumption is that your stomach's going to be burning through that. Doritos give you that immediate kick. Could we do something to provide that kick? Some kind of seasoning. It's an interesting problem anyway.

[icarusfall]

MSG.

[Satsuki]

MGS?