2016 NFL Season

[Diff-chan]

I read the article. I've read lots of those articles. They're all bullshit.

It doesn't actually generate that. They don't look at increased costs. They count every bottle of soda sold at every hotel, even if someone flew into Phoenix to visit their grandma that weekend.

They don't count what doesn't happen because of the Super Bowl. You can't just say $N spent means $N generated. You have to say that $M would have happened normally so the Super Bowl's impact is $N-$M, not $N. Examples. They don't count that a professional organization decided to put their conference in Austin instead of Phoenix that weekend. They don't count the fact that people don't go to, say, the mall or the zoo and instead decide to go to the Super Bowl Experience that weekend, or just decide to stay home and go to the zoo next weekend.

Here is an article that talks about it: http://www.miaminewtimes.com/news/ec...ghable-8484519

Look at what they say about hotels - in a regular February they are 90% full. So when Super Bowl organizers claim they are filling up hotel rooms, they're just lying. If the hotels were 96% full because of the SB, yea that's the benefit. But the organizers would say that all 96% are because of the,.

[gamevet]

I read the article. I've read lots of those articles. They're all bullshit.

It doesn't actually generate that. They don't look at increased costs. They count every bottle of soda sold at every hotel, even if someone flew into Phoenix to visit their grandma that weekend.

They don't count what doesn't happen because of the Super Bowl. You can't just say $N spent means $N generated. You have to say that $M would have happened normally so the Super Bowl's impact is $N-$M, not $N. Examples. They don't count that a professional organization decided to put their conference in Austin instead of Phoenix that weekend. They don't count the fact that people don't go to, say, the mall or the zoo and instead decide to go to the Super Bowl Experience that weekend, or just decide to stay home and go to the zoo next weekend.

Here is an article that talks about it: http://www.miaminewtimes.com/news/ec...ghable-8484519

Look at what they say about hotels - in a regular February they are 90% full. So when Super Bowl organizers claim they are filling up hotel rooms, they're just lying. If the hotels were 96% full because of the SB, yea that's the benefit. But the organizers would say that all 96% are because of the,.

I can speak from my own experience with having a room booked (over a month in advance) for an oil town in the pan handle in Texas. I was ejected from my room, because it was booked a year in advance for an oil convention in that town. I ended up staying in a motel room with a bullet hole in the door. Do you honestly believe that people book their rooms in the same month as the Super Bowl and it is readily available for the casual traveler?

The City of Arlington didn't just have an economic boom because it was sitting there. I've seen the city transform in the last decade from just being an economy driven by a GM plant and Six Flags, to an area with a lot of new retail malls and restaurant chains popping up everywhere.

[Diff-chan]

That's why I said what I said about Miami. The hotels are busy every weekend. If they weren't they wouldn't be in business. Yes during SB weekend everyone is there for the SB. But that's because the SB takes over. If the SB wasn't there people would be in the hotels for other reasons. That's the point and that's what those studies ignore. The SB is generating above what the city would be doing on a regular week, but those studies don't look at that.

[gamevet]

That's why I said what I said about Miami. The hotels are busy every weekend. If they weren't they wouldn't be in business. Yes during SB weekend everyone is there for the SB. But that's because the SB takes over. If the SB wasn't there people would be in the hotels for other reasons. That's the point and that's what those studies ignore. The SB is generating above what the city would be doing on a regular week, but those studies don't look at that.

The prices of rooms and services also skyrocket, because of the high demand.

The town up in the Texas Panhandle that I was talking about (Odessa) had motel room rates out the roof, because the demand for rooms was much higher than what was available. The room I'd rented 2 or 3 years before (@$70) was now $140 a night, even though it was a dump. The La Quinta Inn that I was staying at was making so much money, that they'd decided to renovate it while I was staying there.

And how is a study conducted by Arizona State University not legit?

Also, you have such high demand for rooms, that people rent out their homes for insane prices.
https://www.homeaway.com/vacation-re...FUe5wAodU4kD0A

[Diff-chan]

I didn't say the number was zero. I said the number wasn't $800 million. It's probably like $50-$75M once you factor in all the costs, deadweight from traffic, etc.

I told you why the study was not legit. The NFL or the stadium owners hire the school to make a study. They use dubious methodologies.

[gamevet]

I didn't say the number was zero. I said the number wasn't $800 million. It's probably like $50-$75M once you factor in all the costs, deadweight from traffic, etc.

I told you why the study was not legit. The NFL or the stadium owners hire the school to make a study. They use dubious methodologies.

Why are you assuming that the NFL, or Stadium owners hired the school to do the study? Universities conduct their own studies all of the time, as a means to enhance the study program for their students and staff. There have been many studies on University campuses that have led to discoveries that were not made in the professional field.

The impact on the San Diego economy is estimated to be @$126 million, without the Chargers franchise in the city. Saying that a Super Bowl only generates @ $50-$75 million for a city just seems absurd.

http://patch.com/california/san-dieg...-usd-professor

[MechDeus]

I hate relocating teams.

Why are you assuming that the NFL, or Stadium owners hired the school to do the study?

To be fair, they were hired by a NFL host committee.

The impact on the San Diego economy is estimated to be @$126 million, without the Chargers franchise in the city. Saying that a Super Bowl only generates @ $20-$30 million for a city just seems absurd.

Here's the actual write up he did instead of an overly-condensed article: http://www.chargers.com/sites/charge...016_092116.pdf

That being said, I'm not sure why we're comparing permanent positions to a maybe week-long one time thing.

[sedition]

You know what city's downtown was really shitty until they built a stadium in the middle of it?

San Diego

BASEBALL!

[EvilMog]

Nelson is officially out. Kind of a no fucking shit press release. Nobody is running up and down a field a week after breaking ribs.

Packers going to have to play flawless football to stand a chance.

[gamevet]

Seattle is in over their heads. Atlanta will start the 2nd half up 9, and I don't see how Seattle can stop them. I'm expecting an onside kick from Seattle to open the 2nd half.

And LOL at that Seattle safe tackling commercial. I'll bet it's not Jordy Nelson approved.