The Trump Presidency

[Fe 26]

well, they probably have smart phones

[Satsuki]

TNL is running like shit and ate my totally fire reply. I'll try again, with less vigor this time.

Long story short, yes, more people have mobile phones and internet access than transportation. Poor, older minorities are the class that is most likely to have neither. There will need to be accommodated to with local voting booths. Hell, door to door electronic voting even. "Hey Mrs. so and so, we're mandated from the state to make sure you vote today." If we were to divert resources and volunteers from rich suburban neighborhoods to poorer ones, that would be great. The far bigger problem is people in low level service jobs/school who cannot afford the time to vote. If they do not have private transportation that makes this 1000x as hard.

Online voting will happen, and to bury your head in a sand and go "no no bad tech bad" is a very not good idea. We entrust our credit cards to Starbucks, our personal health data to insurance conglomerates, and suddenly voting is the last bastion of the old country? No. It needs to be addressed, and addressed now, with transparency and thorough research. If we do not lay the framework for a well-developed system, it will be sold to the highest bidder and all of a sudden one day we'll be voting via Coke or something. (Actually didn't that happen already?)
But yeah, we need to address this head on, and soon.

[Satsuki]

TNL is running like shit and ate my totally fire reply. I'll try again, with less vigor this time.

Long story short, yes, more people have mobile phones and internet access than transportation. Poor, older minorities are the class that is most likely to have neither. There will need to be accommodated to with local voting booths. Hell, door to door electronic voting even. "Hey Mrs. so and so, we're mandated from the state to make sure you vote today." If we were to divert resources and volunteers from rich suburban neighborhoods to poorer ones, that would be great. The far bigger problem is people in low level service jobs/school who cannot afford the time to vote. If they do not have private transportation that makes this 1000x as hard.

Online voting will happen, and to bury your head in a sand and go "no no bad tech bad" is a very not good idea. We entrust our credit cards to Starbucks, our personal health data to insurance conglomerates, and suddenly voting is the last bastion of the old country? No. It needs to be addressed, and addressed now, with transparency and thorough research. If we do not lay the framework for a well-developed system, it will be sold to the highest bidder and all of a sudden one day we'll be voting via Coke or something. (Actually didn't that happen already?)
But yeah, we need to address this head on, and soon.

[James]

No, it’s not. One of many contributing factors to Hilary’s loss was that she didn’t spend any time listening or campaigning in battleground states. Having politicians at least somewhat interested in less popular parts of the country is a great thing. My initial problem with this conversation (and why I decided to play devils advocate here) was because of just how self serving you and Joust are being. It’s transpsrent the message behind “popular vote!” is “fuck you guys for voting Trump!”

It truly is not an honest or just position to begin reform from.

When I read what you say it comes out as "Hillary didn't game a broken system, therefore the system is fine." It's not a compelling argument. There's absolutely no question Hillary fucked up bad with a terrible ground game, though. A lot went wrong in a lot of different ways, and she didn't fight Fox News anywhere near hard enough.

Also, fuck you guys for voting Trump. He's exactly the person today you could see he'd be in 2016. There are no surprises in the news, only grim inevitability.

[Doc Holliday]

How is it broken? We aren’t 1 state and we never were. Since it’s inception, the rules governing all states are roughly 80% determined by each state’s population and 20% by it’s sovereignty.

Should we make it 50%-50% to be fair? Half population - half sovereignty? Now Wyoming has 11 EC votes?
Do you want 1 State vote = 1 State vote. Now all states have 10 EC votes?
Do you want to abolish the States and just have 1 State? Congratulations, now Maine has Mississippi’ abortion laws and California’s property tax.

[Some Stupid Japanese Name]

No James, fuck you.
(I dont think anyone here voted Trump)

[Josh]

see a lot of starbucks in the inner city do ya?

Actually yes, but Seattle.

We entrust our credit cards to Starbucks, our personal health data to insurance conglomerates, and suddenly voting is the last bastion of the old country?

No, it's a scam actually.

I don't think we're ready for something as important lol as voting to go online.

[GohanX]

Well it's a good way to get Darth Vader elected as POTUS.

[Drewbacca]

When I read what you say it comes out as "Hillary didn't game a broken system, therefore the system is fine." It's not a compelling argument. There's absolutely no question Hillary fucked up bad with a terrible ground game, though. A lot went wrong in a lot of different ways, and she didn't fight Fox News anywhere near hard enough.

You may say it’s broken, to which I disagree. But aside from that the system was a known quantity. I don’t consider the point “she didn’t give a fuck about entire areas of the country enough to show up” tied to systems problems. That’s just an anti-humanist stance. Maybe it wasn’t the intention but that’s how it came off. For the record I do wish Hilary had won. I just find it so remarkable how deluded people get about this shit.

[James]

No James, fuck you.
(I dont think anyone here voted Trump)

Honestly, me neither.

And I'm good, thanks. Your mom is a hell of a ride.