Namco vs. SEGA

[gamevet]

Originally posted by Lucas Barton
dunno, i always though Klonoa was a disgrace to Shigeru Yokoyama and Klonoa Works. i actually thought about registering that screen name about a week before he came on the boards just incase someone that sucked registered it, but i was lazy, and i do regret not doing it very much.

you guys are too waaay too predictable. i knew this thread was coming a few hours before i even made the Crisis Zone thread. anyways, Andy787 is one of the many reasons i try not to bring up Namco here. and im the ass? whatever, luckily im not stupid enough to take a Sega Vs Anything thread at TNL seriously for the obvious reasons.

IMO, here's the way it is.
Klonoa > Sonic
gameplay, level design, shit even story. Klonoa shits all over Sonic

Ridge Racer > AM2
although i do love AM2 racers very very much, no racing game has topped R4 yet

Time Crisis, Crisis Zone, Point Blank > Virtua Cop, HotD, Confidential Mission
love HotD, but yeah, i think everyone agrees there's no competetion here.

Tekken, Soul Calibur > Virtua Fighter, Fighting Vipers
i know better then to compare any of these games, but as far as fun goes, i have more fun with the Namco ones. yeah, but each one of those games is love or hate so...

PacMan, and Galaga. nuff said.

sure Sega does everything first, but Namco just does everything better.

I'm sorry, but Ridge Racer has nothing on Daytona or Sega Rally 95. The powerslides are weak, and Namco tries to one up Sega on most of their games.


I'll admit that Soul Calibur is the best 3-D fighter on the market, but Tekken is Virtua Fighters bitch. The Virtua Fighter series is a much deeper game. Tekken is more of a button masher, with pretty graphics.


Time Crisis is such a big rip-off of Virtua Cop. While some find it to be a better game, I don't. House of the Dead is a great light gun game and so is Jurassic Park.


I'll give credit to Namco for some great 80's arcade games, but Sega has had a ton more hits, in the arcades, than Namco.


While there are some that will praise Klonoa, it has yet to reach the statis of games like Super Mario, or Sonic.


Sega just has a lot more original content, than Namco. Burning Rangers, Shining Force, Rez, Sega Rally, Jet Grind Radio, Samba De Amigo, Space Channel 5, Chu Chu Rocket, PSO, Zaxxon, Space Harrier, AFO, Crazy Taxi, and so many other titles, put Sega far ahead of Namco.

[SearchManX]

Originally posted by gamevet

Time Crisis is such a big rip-off of Virtua Cop. While some find it to be a better game, I don't. House of the Dead is a great light gun game and so is Jurassic Park.

Er.. why is Time Crisis a rip-off of Virtua Cop? Because they're both light gun games? You might as well say Virtua Cop was a rip-off of Lethal Enforcers... TC was much more innovative than VC because of the pedal. 'nuff said. House of the Dead 2 is good though, not innovative, but it does the important stuff right. Atmosphere, bosses, cheesy dialogue/acting.

[gamevet]

Originally posted by SearchManX


Er.. why is Time Crisis a rip-off of Virtua Cop? Because they're both light gun games? You might as well say Virtua Cop was a rip-off of Lethal Enforcers... TC was much more innovative than VC because of the pedal. 'nuff said. House of the Dead 2 is good though, not innovative, but it does the important stuff right. Atmosphere, bosses, cheesy dialogue/acting.

Same kind of story line, and so many other simarlarities. Thte only thing unique about Time Crisis, was the pedal. If you have'nt noticed, every time Sega releases something great in the arcades, Namco would make a game too similar to that of Sega's. Lethal Enforcers and the like, had you shooting the bad guy, and they dissappeared. With a game like Virtua Cop, you saw the enemies react to the kind of shot you placed on them. Games like Lethal enforcers, were more akin to FMV style gun games.

[Johnny Nighttrain]

Originally posted by gamevet
I'm sorry, but Ridge Racer has nothing on Daytona or Sega Rally 95. The powerslides are weak, and Namco tries to one up Sega on most of their games.

that's right, you go ahead and apologize to me for being wrong. and as for one uping Sega with most of their games, the always succeed.

Originally posted by gamevet
I'll admit that Soul Calibur is the best 3-D fighter on the market, but Tekken is Virtua Fighters bitch. The Virtua Fighter series is a much deeper game. Tekken is more of a button masher, with pretty graphics.

like i said, im smart enough to know that these games just shouldn't be compared.

Originally posted by gamevet
Time Crisis is such a big rip-off of Virtua Cop.

that is true, and it's a much better game at that.

Originally posted by gamevet
I'll give credit to Namco for some great 80's arcade games, but Sega has had a ton more hits, in the arcades, than Namco.

PacMan and Galaga are better then any arcade game that Sega made in the 80's.

Originally posted by gamevet
While there are some that will praise Klonoa, it has yet to reach the statis of games like Super Mario, or Sonic.

you heard it here first folks, status and popularity is what makes a game good.

[SearchManX]

Originally posted by gamevet

Same kind of story line, and so many other simarlarities. Thte only thing unique about Time Crisis, was the pedal. If you have'nt noticed, every time Sega releases something great in the arcades, Namco would make a game too similar to that of Sega's. Lethal Enforcers and the like, had you shooting the bad guy, and they dissappeared. With a game like Virtua Cop, you saw the enemies react to the kind of shot you placed on them. Games like Lethal enforcers, were more akin to FMV style gun games.

Okay uh... it shouldn't matter if Namco's copying Sega if it's just that. The fact of the matter is that Namco makes good games even though they are inspired by Sega. Hey, if you gotta copy from somewhere, copy from someone who's the best right? Does that make Namco's game any less fun?

As for Time Crisis, I enjoyed it much more than VC. Especially because there was no ugly green targeting system. And I don't remember if VC had this but the fact that you raced against a clock in TC and that you got bonus time for beating enemies... that was pretty innovative.

[gamevet]

Originally posted by Lucas Barton




PacMan and Galaga are better then any arcade game that Sega made in the 80's.

you heard it here first folks, status and popularity is what makes a game good.

Maybe in the early 80's, but games like Space Harrier, Outrun, Hang-On, Afterburner, and Altered Beast were the talk of arcades in the late 80's. Sega then went on to be the premiere arcade developer of the 90's.


Status and popularity are mostly earned through word of mouth. Games like Resident Evil, Wipeout, and Waverace earned their reputation of a great game not by advertising, or critical praise(Magazines), but by their own greatness. A great game crosses over to all genders, nationalities, and genera's of gaming. Games like Pac-Man and Galaga were something that everyone could enjoy. Even my wife likes Galaga. Some games just have that something extra, that all people can enjoy.

[Johnny Nighttrain]

Originally posted by gamevet
Maybe in the early 80's, but games like Space Harrier, Outrun, Hang-On, Afterburner, and Altered Beast were the talk of arcades in the late 80's.

not one of those games is better then PacMan or Galaga.

and you're brining up what was popular again to compare them. i mean crap, everyone here thinks VF is a better game then Tekken, but Tekken is much more popular here in the states, so does that make it a better game?

[gamevet]

Originally posted by Lucas Barton

not one of those games is better then PacMan or Galaga.

and you're brining up what was popular again to compare them. i mean crap, everyone here thinks VF is a better game then Tekken, but Tekken is much more popular here in the states, so does that make it a better game?

Wow, 2 games, compared to over a dozen hits from Sega. I could argue that even Williams or Atari had more hits than Namco, but why. Namco had it's place held in gaming history with those 2 or 3 greats of the past, but the late 80's had a lot more competition and variety of games to compare to. Sega still rose above the competition.


Yeah, but Virtua Fighter sold phenominally in Japan. Virtua Fighter 2 sold over 2 million copies on the Saturn. That's 2 out of every 5 Saturn owners in Japan. Virtua Fighter is also in the Smithsonian Museam, for it's advancements in computer generated graphic's and being the first truely kenetic man generated by a computer.

[Johnny Nighttrain]

Originally posted by gamevet
Wow, 2 games, compared to over a dozen hits from Sega

go ahead, i just did, and that's how i know that PacMan and Galaga are better then anything Sega did in the 80's.

[Yoshi]

Originally posted by Lucas Barton

go ahead, i just did, and that's how i know that PacMan and Galaga are better then anything Sega did in the 80's.

Sorry. I'll take Phantasy Star over Galaga in a heartbeat.