Science Vs God?????

[Tracer]

Originally posted by IronPlant
-_' why do I bother

Tracer, you ever read or seen the "the power of Myth" ?

I said I read Jopseph Cambell didn't I? Yeah I read it.

[Captain Vegetable]

Originally posted by IronPlant
look at the URL, it's a religion that believes what you just said, and its Christain, very old old christian.

You're wrong. Gnosistics aren't Christians at all, but heretics. That is, they take basic Christian doctrine and pervert it to satisfy their views.

The Bible speaks out, heavily, in the writings of Paul, concerning Gnosticism.

It is inacurate to call something/one "Christian" when they, in fact, are not.

You want proof?

and every spirit that does not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God. And this is the spirit of the Antichrist, which you have heard was coming, and is now already in the world.
-1 John 4:3 (NKJV)

Gnostics do not believe Jesus Christ came in the flesh, because everything of the flesh (read: matterial genesis) is evil.

That would make them antichrists, according to the Bible. Not Christians.

[Fe 26]

Originally posted by Captain Vegetable
You're wrong. Gnosistics aren't Christians at all, but heretics. That is, they take basic Christian doctrine and pervert it to satisfy their views.

Every Christian group can say that about the other, and they can prove it with bible quotes to. You ever seen two people of strong faith from two different types of Christanity argue?

Originally posted by Tracer
I said I read Jopseph Cambell didn't I? Yeah I read it.

um yeah, thats why I asked.

[Captain Vegetable]

Originally posted by IronPlant
Every Christian group can say that about the other, and they can prove it with bible quotes to.

No they cannot. Prove to me that free will does not exist by using the Bible. Go on...I'm waiting. All you can do is prove to me that predestination exists, not that free will does not. Proving you're side right is far from proving the other wrong.

Gnostics, however, are expressly and implicitly proved wrong beyond the shadow of any doubt in the Bible.

You ever seen two people of strong faith from two different types of Christanity argue?

You obviously have little experience with Gnostic doctrine outside of the website you just listed.

As a matter of fact, I have witnessed two people from two different facits of Christianity argue before. Know what that tells me? They're still too young in their convictions.

If someone is arguing for free will over predestination (or vise versa), they've obviously read through their Bible selectively rather than objectively. The Bible makes a case for both beliefs, therefore both must be true. It's juvenile to choose a side simply because you like it better.

P.S. You seem to be fighting a losing battle.

[Fe 26]

was that post supose to be you snupping your nose as me, or helpful?

Maybe I don't wanna prove free will does not exist, maybe I wanna go play some games, or stick my head in the freezer.

[Captain Vegetable]

Originally posted by IronPlant
was that post supose to be you snupping your nose as me, or helpful?

Way to answer my assertions.

Is this a debate, or not? Are you going to defend your possition, or concede? Chainging the subject is as good as a concession as far as I'm concerned...unless you'd like to pick it up and try again.

I was not "snupping" my nose at you. I tend to argue authoritatively concerning all matters wherein the Bible is involved. And, it would seem as though you are fighting a losing battle, substanciated by you chainging the subject rather than addressing my claims.

It was an observation. Not an attack.

Originally posted by IronPlant
Maybe I don't wanna prove free will does not exist, maybe I wanna go play some games, or stick my head in the freezer.

Fair enough.

My spelling is horrible...

[Fe 26]

Debate? shit, the guy made a comment about maybe the devil was the old testament god, it reminded me of that religion, I posted url. I have no plans of trying to prove that religion, just putting something out there in regards to that earlier comment. You want to argue with a Gnosis, go find one. You won't find one here.

[Captain Vegetable]

Originally posted by IronPlant
Debate? shit, the guy made a comment about maybe the devil was the old testament god, it reminded me of that religion, I posted url. I have no plans of trying to prove that religion, just putting something out there in regards to that earlier comment. You want to argue with a Gnosis, go find one. You won't find one here.

Our debate was whether or not Gnostics are Christians...remember?

You said they were, I said they weren't, a debate ensued.

And I'll agree. Likening the God of the OT to the "Userper God" of Gnosticism is a common comparison drawn among Gnostic circles, so much so that if someone supposed Lucifer was the God of the OT, it would warrent a Gnostic application.

But they're still not Christians.

Simply because they take from the Bible doesn't mean they're Christians. Jehovah's Witnesses take from the Bible and aren't Christians...HELL! Practitioners of Voodoo borrow from Catholic tradition! That still doesn't make them Catholic.

[Fe 26]

They are a old jesus baised relgion that was started during the early parts of Christanity, make what you will of that fact. I'm not going to nitpick with you two religions that both believe in God and Jesus but regard different books and material as holy. If you want to go do that, fine, im sure there is a Jew or a Muslim out there you can argue with about how wrong their relgious material is.

[YellerDog]

You're all totally wrong. Just my take on it.

Doesn't mean you're not right at the same time.