Science Vs God?????

[Captain Vegetable]

Originally posted by IronPlant
They are a old jesus baised relgion that was started during the early parts of Christanity,

Again, your limited knowledge concerning Gnostics and their doctrine is evidenced.

This is far from the truth. Gnostics didn't begin whith Jesus. They "fit him in" as an after thought.

I'm not going to nitpick with you two religions that both believe in God and Jesus but regard different books and material as holy.

Gnostics do not believe in Jesus as the Bible describes Him. They are not Christians.

[elBeardoAlwaysWins]

Originally posted by Captain Vegetable

The Bible makes a case for both beliefs, therefore both must be true.

The Bible makes a case for lots of things including genocide, fratracide, spousal abuse, ufo abduction, angels mating wih humans, artificial insemination, drug abuse.....take your fuckin pick guy.

And who is justified in judging who is Christian or not, I never heard Jesus mutter anything about starting an exclusive reigion....he said spread my gospel, meaning his philosophy, not start a fucking religion of persecution, his whole point was organized Judaism was lame in the first place, so what do the dumbass apostles do, start a fucking exclusive religion, causing more war, pain, suffering, etc...how lame.

[Captain Vegetable]

Originally posted by elBeardoAlwaysWins
The Bible makes a case for lots of things including genocide, fratracide, spousal abuse, ufo abduction, angels mating wih humans, artificial insemination, drug abuse.....take your fuckin pick guy.

Show me where these occur in the Bible, and I'll show you how wrong you will never admit to being.

And who is justified in judging who is Christian or not, I never heard Jesus mutter anything about starting an exclusive reigion....he said spread my gospel, meaning his philosophy, not start a fucking religion of persecution,

Your knowledge is found wanting. Jesus said NO ONE gets to the Father but through Himself.

If that isn't an exclusive statement, then I don't know what is. Read you Bible before you make assanine claims such as this. It'd do you well to research, as you're dealing with a Reverend. I know my stuff.

his whole point was organized Judaism was lame in the first place, so what do the dumbass apostles do, start a fucking exclusive religion, causing more war, pain, suffering, etc...how lame.

You misunderstand the motivations and desires of both Jesus and His apostles. Quite frankly, it's disheartening.

And your history is off, too.

[elBeardoAlwaysWins]

My brother in law is a minister and hes a brainwashed dumb ass who only sees the Bible the way he wants to, why should i expect you to be any different.

[Fe 26]

Veg when are you going to shut up? there is no argument here.

[elBeardoAlwaysWins]

Jesus said the kingdom of heaven is in all of us, hence i dont need to go to church and listen to someone elses interpretation of what Jesus said....for all I know they could be completely wrong.

[Captain Vegetable]

Originally posted by elBeardoAlwaysWins
My brother in law is a minister and hes a brainwashed dumb ass who only sees the Bible the way he wants to, why should i expect you to be any different.

Honestly? You shouldn't. And I might go out on a limb and and say "you can't."

Originally posted by elBeardoAlwaysWins
Jesus said the kingdom of heaven is in all of us, hence i dont need to go to church and listen to someone elses interpretation of what Jesus said....for all I know they could be completely wrong.

Verses man, verses! Bust out a Bible, or here, I'll make it easy on you. Go to www.blueletterbible.org and look your verses up by phrase. Post them and I'll address them.

Originally posted by IronPlant
Veg when are you going to shut up? there is no argument here.

Whatever, man. Consider me "shutted up."

[elBeardoAlwaysWins]

infantacide:

"On that same night I will pass through Egypt and strike down every firstborn--both men and animals--and I will bring judgment on all the gods of Egypt. I am the LORD." (Exodus 12:12)

"At midnight the LORD struck down all the firstborn in Egypt, from the firstborn of Pharaoh, who sat on the throne, to the firstborn of the prisoner, who was in the dungeon, and the firstborn of all the livestock as well. Pharaoh and all his officials and all the Egyptians got up during the night, and there was loud wailing in Egypt, for there was not a house without someone dead." (Exodus 12:29)__

rape and pilage:

1 The LORD said to Moses, 2 "Take vengeance on the Midianites for the Israelites. After that, you will be gathered to your people." 5 So twelve thousand men armed for battle, a thousand from each tribe, were supplied from the clans of Israel. 7 They fought against Midian, as the LORD commanded Moses, and killed every man. 9 The Israelites captured the Midianite women and children and took all the Midianite herds, flocks and goods as plunder. 10 They burned all the towns where the Midianites had settled, as well as all their camps. 11 They took all the plunder and spoils, including the people and animals, 13 Moses, Eleazar the priest and all the leaders of the community went to meet them outside the camp. 14 Moses was angry with the officers of the army--the commanders of thousands and commanders of hundreds--who returned from the battle. 15 "Have you allowed all the women to live?" he asked them. 16 "They were the ones who followed Balaam's advice and were the means of turning the Israelites away from the LORD in what happened at Peor, so that a plague struck the LORD's people. 17 Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, 18 but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man."
(Numbers 31)

more slaughter:

And the LORD said unto him, Go through the midst of the city, through the midst of Jerusalem....let not your eye spare, neither have ye pity: Slay utterly old and young, both maids, and little children, and women...."
(Ezekiel 9: 4-6)

vengance:

Thus saith the LORD of hosts, I remember that which Amalek did to Israel, how he laid wait for him in the way, when he came up from Egypt.
Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy [1] everything that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, childrem and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.'"
(I Samuel 15:2-3)

abortion:

"The people of Samaria must bear their guilt, because they have rebelled against their God. They will fall by the sword; their little ones will be dashed to the ground, their pregnant women ripped open."
(Hosea 13:16)

discipling your kids:

18 If a man has a stubborn and rebellious son who does not obey his father and mother and will not listen to them when they discipline him,
19 his father and mother shall take hold of him and bring him to the elders at the gate of his town.20 They shall say to the elders, "This son of ours is stubborn and rebellious. He will not obey us. He is a profligate* and a drunkard."21 Then all the men of his town shall stone him to death. You must purge the evil from among you. All Israel will hear of it and be afraid.
*completely given up to dissipation and licentiousness; wildly extravagant.(Webster's New Collegiate Dictionary) (Deuteronomy 21:18-21 NIV)


The ancient Hebrews. . . in their sacred writings . . . attributed many of the massacres they committed to orders or commands from Yahweh. Probably some of these massacres happened, and no doubt the ancient Hebrews who committed them thought that they were obeying their god Yahweh. Reality, however, is that no god had anything to do with the atrocities committed by ancient, barbaric people. The tragedy is that there are millions of Christians who believe that these massacres happened just as the Bible says, and so they think that God ordered the killing of children and babies. They lean over backwards . . . to try to explain why an all-merciful God would have ordered the killing of children. So the problem is not what ancient people said in the writings they left behind in highly superstitious times; the problem is the people in our enlightened times who are still so shackled to superstition that they believe the ancient ones were writing inerrant truths.

in regards to jesus:

According to the Bible, Jesus Christ said he would return in the generation in which he lived. He said the sign of the Son of Man would appear in heaven. He said all the tribes of Israel would mourn. He said the tribes would see the Son of Man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. He said he would send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet. The angels were to gather the "elect" from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. All of these things were to have happened in his generation. They didn't happen.

Jesus did not return as he said he would. He did not return as his disciples believed and preached that he would. Jesus didn't come in the disciples generation. He didn't come in any generation. The disciples all died. Jesus' promise was broken. The disciples believed and lived a false hope.

Jesus didn't come then and he isn't coming in the future. Those who cling to the broken promise and false hope of his return will be just as disappointed as the disciples who died looking in vain for the second coming of their Christ.

He isn't coming again.

If anything he was a political/social revolutionary of his time.

[redstar.division]

Religion is a hobby just like golf or masturbating. Whether or not there is a "higher power" I may never know, but I have faith that my life was created by something more spectacular than sperm and an egg. However I am currently searching for a place to live and that seems utterly more important than the age old science - faith debate, for centuries it's been a matter of picking up clubs and seeing who hits harder.

[680x0]

proof of a higher power: