Burying the aXe

[Dyne]

Originally posted by BEBOPlover
Is it possible to get a domestic Xbox modded for import games?

yes the xios,evo-x and messiah x chips all work as import chips as well.

[NeoZeedeater]

Never once was the Saturn ever in the sales lead over the Playstation in North America. The Saturn was on the road to failure long before FFVII was released. The Playstation slaughtered the Saturn in 1995 sales and it was even worse for the Saturn in the following years.

[JMET]

Originally posted by Stibbons
Sounds like someone's jealous.

Yupp your right im jealous of someone who trolls around and spouts smart ass comments as a poor attempt to be the forums funny man ass clown....

[Ranji]

Rambling contribution - I've never understood why in those early days, prior to some of the PS exclusive blockbusters already listed, Sony STILL beat out Sega. I suspect if the Saturn had intially been more sucessful we would have seen more games ported to both systems, like say, Tomb Raider was. Even taking into account the massive decline in credibility Sega experienced after the Sega CD and especially 32X debacles, and the fact that Sony's machine was marginally more powerful, I still haven't come to terms with how so many people missed out on such great titles as has been mentioned. How the hell did Battle Arena Toshinden or Tekken beat out Virtua Fighter...? Panzer Dragoon sold me personally, but there were some other fine games released stateside like Clockwork Knight, Bug!, and Mystaria as well. Maybe I was just a Sega fanboy, but how did people become Sony fanboys so quickly?

Ultimately, the complex Saturn architecture, which made game development so arduous, may have helped hasten the downfall of the system, but it seems as if Sega\'s entry in the 32-bit wars was cursed from the start.

[Ashod]

Originally posted by Ranji
How the hell did Battle Arena Toshinden or Tekken beat out Virtua Fighter...?

Because at the time Battle Arena Toshinden and Tekken both looked like a million bucks compared to VF. Was their gameplay better than VF? Maybe not, but when you see an in-store demo or even pictures of the PS games, then the average person is convinced that the PS is naturally better...but again, that may not have been the case.

I, personally, still don't get how Toshinden got so much praise on graphics alone. It was like almost ALL reviewers were so pleased with the graphics that they ignored the fact that it played terrible. Luckily, with the sequels, they finally seemed to catch on.

[Yoshi]

Originally posted by Ranji
Ultimately, the complex Saturn architecture, which made game development so arduous, may have helped hasten the downfall of the system, but it seems as if Sega\'s entry in the 32-bit wars was cursed from the start.

The truly sickening thing is that Sony made the exact same mistake with the PS2, but they got away with it completely.

[NeoZeedeater]

Virtua Fighter 2 was more visually impressive than Tekken and Toshinden even though the PS had better 3d graphics in general.

It was the Sony name that sold the Playstation most likely. They were the biggest name in electronics and people were hyped for it before it launched judging by the fact that it had record pre-orders. Sony already had all the major third-parties lined up too.

[Ranji]

Yeah, I heard someone claim at the time that Battle Arena Toshinden made Virtua Fighter look like a mess your 6 year old brother made on Mario Paint.

Didn't know little kids drew in blocky polygons, but hey.

[Ashod]

If everyone takes all of NeoZeedeater's last few posts in this thread and puts them all together, they'll basically get the exact reasons why Sony pulled ahead of Sega in the 32bit era. Thank God that NeoZeedeater posts on these boards, because without him the history of the video games industry would be a twisted, fictional mess on these boards.

[lithium]

http://www.grospixels.com/site/image...n/vifghter.jpg

http://playstation.hotgames.com/game...le1/scrn02.jpg

I honestly don't see how you can look at those two shots and say VF was better able to win over the casual gamer. Toshinden's graphics are vastly better. VF barely even uses textures.

I knew a lot of people then who saw both games and instantly ruled out the Saturn. VF was pretty damning. VF remix was too little, too late.